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43 Comments on "Photos: Russkies tinker with Gorshkov"

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7 years 8 months ago

When was that group photo taken, Shiv?

I heard about their latest demand. But has the delivery date extended even further?

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Anonymous
7 years 8 months ago

The Russian Government team is sure wearing some fancy jackets. Now we know where all the refit money is going.

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Anonymous
7 years 8 months ago

a question to all visitors

if we had gorshkov in our own shipyards in india ,r v able to convert gorky into aircraft carrier and at what amount of money

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7 years 8 months ago
For those who wonder what will it take to make a Gorshkov in an Indian shipyard the answer is not too far.Just monitor the progress of the Air Defence Ship being constructed ‘indigeniously’ at the Cochin Shipyard(CSL).Compare the costs and the man-hours with that of Gorshkov.Though the ADS will be a small carrier,it will be interesting to watch it take shape and it will lead us to many answers – about our engineering capability,the notoriety of our labour practises,the umpteen changes in design and equipment and not to mention cost escalation!The simple fact of life is – we have the… Read more »
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7 years 8 months ago

to anon 9.38

its anon at 7.46

u r right

i wrote that comment to tell that v do not have the same capability to
do such massive work but russia has such capability

and they themselves have said this work was largly underestimated

and v shud stop criticising russia over gorky cuz converting gorky into
aircraft carrier means converting old ship into
a new ship and its takies time

cuz making newer ship is easier than this task

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 8 months ago
To Anon@9.38PM: The reason why the Indian Navy's Russia-supplied warships are afloat several years after their commissioning is the successive refits carried out by Indian shipyards and naval dockyards. Indian shipyards will have no problem with matching the productivity levels of their Western or Russian counterparts IF ONLY they are allowed to be freed from the shackles of the Ministry of Defence, i.e. stop being MoD-owned defence PSUs and instead become publicly listed entities (like L & T) that are free to raise the much-needed capital for their modernisation and skills/hull fabrication capability upgradation from the international and national capital… Read more »
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Max
7 years 8 months ago

Prasun has rejuvenated to live both Ajai’s and Shiv’s blog!!

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Max
7 years 8 months ago

@Prasun

Do you have any updates on ATV and the new A/C construction @ Cochin? Is there any prospect of it being nuclear powered? Thanks.

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Max
7 years 8 months ago

@Shiv

How did u obtain those pics?

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 8 months ago
To Max@12.16AM: Am working on a story on the ATV and various Indian vendor-companies involved in the ATV construction effort and will send to Shiv soon for uploading. But kindly note that as the name suggests, the ATV is primarily a technology demonstrator vessel with the DRDO being the programme coordinator. One must not automatically presume that this single ATV will straightaway become an operational SSBN. Only after the DRDO has proven the ATV's hull design and propulsion system's integrity will the Govt of India sanction funding for a nuclear-powered submarine fleet comprising both an SSBN and at least two… Read more »
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7 years 8 months ago

@ Anon 9.38 PM

Dude, you talk about Russian expertise in ship building, have you read about their only aircraft carrier admiral kuznetsov’s multiple problems and shut downs?

here, read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov#History_and_current_status

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7 years 8 months ago
@Prasun Really? Hey pls come out with it fast! And some pictures please!! I highly it’ll be a tech demonstrator. If you notice most Indian defence products have codenames before they’re launched, e.g. LCH, LOH, ALH, LCA, MRTA etc. I agree it’ll be the building block for building bigger Indian subs but technology demonstrator; I highly doubt. And you’ve to understand this is not the first time India is leapforwarding in technology. We saw in the LCH and ALH, where HAL, an assembly company managed to produce pretty good products on par with current trends. Why not in this case… Read more »
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Max
7 years 8 months ago

@Prasun

Please note that tech demonstrators are usually not used / inducted but only serves as a testbed for future models. More like a prototype. I quite sure ATV will be put to service.

Of course, I’m amateur. Correct if wrong.

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7 years 8 months ago
Friend anon 2.29 PM thanks for your lead.I am anon 9.38 PM.If you’d read your reference carefully you’d realize that the problems encountered by Kuznetsov were more financial than technical.She was constructed just about the time when the USSR was breaking up.Imagine the budgetary problems she must have gone through.Yet you need to acknowledge the fact that the Russians built her in 10 flat years.Nowhere it is mentioned that the incompetence of the shipyards delayed her becoming operational.Moreover,the proof of Russian shipbulding is in your homeports to see – the three new Talwar class Krivak frigates are swinging in our… Read more »
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7 years 8 months ago

some where prasun has said that

RUSSIA ISN’T helping in making of ATV moreover he said hulls for ATV
R OF INDIAN ORIGIN NOT OF AKULA

I DON’T BELIEVE IN THIS

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 8 months ago
Dear Max@6.56PM: One needs to put India's core technological competencies in aircraft manufacturing and submarine-building in the proper perspective. HAL's tryst with licenced aircraft-manufacturing began in the late 1950s and helicopter-manufacturing in the mid-1960s. Therefore, HAL had almost 30 years of experience prior to embarking on the design and development of homegrown helicopters like the Dhruv ALH, LCH and LOH. In contrast, India acquired the expertise for building (mind you, not designing them from scratch) submarines in the late 1980s with the Class 209/Type 1500 SSKs. It was only by the late 1990s that a proper functional design office was… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
@Prasun Thanks for patiently answering me. Please help further feed my curiosity: Can you please provde the source where Arun Prakash demands the range of the SLBMs fitted to be 8500km? DRDO has not even developed such a technology. Their Agni-3 only reaches 3500km and the intended SLBM, Sagarika is a mere 700km. In fact Agni-5, the new one in development is only gonna be around 5000km. I heard that US pressure on the faggot-manmohan government has caused parliament to delay approval on development of ICBM (denied by the government however) although the technology is within reach by DRDO. Unconfirmed… Read more »
Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 7 months ago
To Max@11.12PM: The article By Admiral (ret’d) Arun Prakash I was referring to asppeared in one of the issues of FORCE in the first quarter of last year. It was not not a demand by the Admiral. Far from it, he was simply visualising an operational scenario that would require a realistic, credible and survivable sea-based nuclear deterrent in the event of a potential conflict between China and India in future. Now, turning to the Agni, the DRDO does have plans for steadily increasing the range of the missile, be it the Agni-3 or Agni-5 or even the yet-to-be-revealed Agni-8.… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

to prasun

its better not to talk about SSBN

v don’t need SSBN immidiately us but SSN and thats the point

and what about akula2 induction

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7 years 7 months ago

why can’t india pay just $200m to russia, when they are ready to pay upto $100-billion to usa for the nuclear deal ???

Double standards !!!!

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7 years 7 months ago

@Prasun

Thanks. Agni-8? Sounds good.

I’ll await your article. Please include pictures or ilustrations if possible!

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7 years 7 months ago

@Prasun

One last thing sir: Since you’re quite well-versed with this kinda stuff, can you please share your comment(s) about a piece of speculation that came out some time ago about Manmohan’s givt unwilling to sanction ICMB development due to US pressure

And if possible, please come out with an article on the Nirbhay missile if its updates are available to you. Of course after your ATV article 🙂

Thanks

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7 years 7 months ago
@anon – 3:02 AM Why not? We are getting the scorpenes and a will be soom tendering for another new class of attack subs. And our Akulas are still pretty deadly. Right now we need a formidable nuclear force as a deterent to CHina and Pakistan. Remember during Kargil when Pakistan gave a nuclear scare? At that time we never had an edge against Pakistan’s nuclear force. A credible sea based arsenal would be the ULTIMATE deterent for any country planning to nuke India. That’s something we lack now. Remember we can buy attack subs from abroad (doesn’t need to… Read more »
Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 7 months ago
To Max@2.27PM: As you yourself said, these are mere speculations regarding the ICBM. The longest-range ballistic missile required as per the Draft Nuclear Doctrine is the SLBM and the R & D efforts by the DRDO are on track without any impediments. And kindly also note that just like the leasing of the Charlie-1 SSGN in the late 1980s, the current leasing of the Akula-2 SSGN is for training purposes only. If you carefully read the statement by the current CNS of IN early last December on the eve of Navy Day, you will recall that he clearly and specifically… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
@Prasun Regarding the ICBM development, it was mere speculation but you have to understand that there’s usually no fire without smoke. Regarding Akula, please tell me which other country would be gracious enough to lend us a nuclear submarine in the first place, whatever the purpose. All I was saying is that the SLBMs are more pressing need for India because it cannot be purchased from any other country, in contrast to attack submarines. About Pakistan’s nuclear scare during the Kargil War, let’s not be bothered whether there was or not a nuclear ready force. As I wrote it was… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

@Prasun

Sorry typo. no SMOKE without FIRE 🙂

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 7 months ago
Dear Max: I’ve never underestimated the graciousness of the Russians with regard to leasing the Akula-2 SSGN to India. All I did was make a factual statement about the Akula-2 SSGN being a much-valued training asset, and not a frontline asset to be employed during hostilities. With regard to the alleged nuclear flashpoint 1999, the question of nuclear escalation by either India or Pakistan did not arise at all simply because neither country had the survivable command-and-control procedures/systems/assets in place that are a must when even deliberating upon the use of WMDs. The distance between testing nuclear warheads and integrating… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago
@Prasun Prithvi 1 was tested in 198X. It’s nuclear capable. Kargil happened in 1999. ~10 years later and still these compnonts weren’t in place? What took India so long Prasun, although India first tested a nuke bomb in the 70s? And how could both India and Pak be ready in the same time although there was a 20+ year gap between India’s forst test and Pak’s? Leaving that aside as you said those facts came out during the 3rd quarter of 2002. In the height of the war both countries were not aware of each other’s capability, and this created… Read more »
Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 7 months ago
TO Max@12.32AM: The Prithvi was 'touted' by the DRDO as a nuclear-capable missile, but was never accepted as a credible delivery platform by either by the Army's Directorate General of Field Artillery, nor by the country's Strategic Forces Command simply because it could not be launched from the hinterland, well away from the engagement envelopes of hostile rocket artillery or tactical strike aircraft. That's why the Agni-1 was developed on a fast-track basis.Although India conducted an underground nuclear test in May 1974, this was just to prove the design validity of the various components of a functional nuclear device. The… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

@Prasun

You mean Chinese aresholes intended to supply Pak with those M9 and M11 warheads?

And friend, I’ve been observing you in other topics (esp about the submarine one) and you seem to be getting blown out of your mind arguing with certain qursters. At the rate you’re going you may breakdown at any time!! I would advise you stick yourself only to constructive discussions and ignore the rest.

Cheers.

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Anonymous
7 years 7 months ago

max stop waste ur time talk to this prasun faggot he is a single testicle dog

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7 years 7 months ago
to everyone how idiotic question prasun asks like he asked when rubber corrods ?—————————-simple ans. is rubber never corrodes but metal corrode he said mig31 isn’t net cent.———————————simple ans is mig31 was the first aircraft to have net cent capability he called rubber tiles of sub welded panels he said FINCANTIERI bought AIP tech and production rights from centain firm ———————————–when i asked from which firm and who is that fool that will sell AIP production rights to FINCANTIERI he called better welding tech has been used agusta sub ————————————- simple ans. every sub making country has world class welding… Read more »
Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 7 months ago
To Max@4.35PM: Come, come, come, Max, don’t get too emotional with the mechanisms of our Chinese neighbours. Post-Chagai it was established by both the US, the EU and India beyond reasonable doubt by July 1998 that of the four devices (and not six as as claimed) that were tested on May 28 and May 30, two of them fizzled out and only the two tactical nuclear devices in warhead configuration that were supplied OFF-THE-SHELF by China actually exploded. And they emitted plutonium-based radioactive traces into the atmosphere. Till this day, the top brass of both the Indian armed forces and… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

@Prasun

Wow wow so that’s the story.. but why keep it in Chengdu when it’s so far from Pakistan? I would like to read more on this. Can you please provide your source? These really seem new to me.

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 7 months ago
To Max@12.25AM: Chengdu was selected as the WMD storage site simply because the great majority of the PRC's WMD-related R & D sites are located in Sichuan Province and in Inner Mongolia, and are therefore well-protected and have adequate related infrastructure. But now with the expanding rail-road network inside the Tibet Autonomous Region, one can in future expect some of these storage sites being relocated to secured sites closer to Ladakh. As far as sources go, these issues are routinely discussed during the various seminars/symposiums that are frequently organised on the the sidelines of exhibitions like Aero India or DEFEXPO,… Read more »
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7 years 7 months ago

@Prasun

I see, thanks for the explanation mate. And please hurry up on your ATV article..

Max
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Max
7 years 7 months ago

^^^

@Prasun, that was me, forgot to put in my name..

Click here prasun!!
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7 years 7 months ago

ya thats wat u r

Max
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7 years 7 months ago

@Prasun

Can you please clarify another thing: Is Sagarika a Ballistic missile or Cruise missile?

Thx

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 7 months ago

To Max: Sagarika is the name of the Project Office for developing a sub-launched multi-role (conventional warhead-tipped and nuclear warhead-tipped) cruise missile & SLBM, just as Aakangsha is the name of the Project Office for developing the ATV. Kindly look out for further updates at http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/

Cheers mate!

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Max
7 years 7 months ago

Lolz.. ok thx

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7 years 7 months ago

Prasun why a blog name called *trishulgroup*? But at last you took my advise.

And the biggest dissapointment is not enabling non logged-in comments (like mine, and previously yours too!). If you’re scared of critisism you shouldn’t blog. On abusive comments, either you ignore them or delete.

I’m confident you’ll make the necessary changes.

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 7 months ago

Done, Max. Trishulgroup because my MRO facility is called Trident Aviation Services. Happy surfing & commenting.

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