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37 Comments on "Boeing presentation to IAF comparing Chinook with Mi-26"

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7 years 3 months ago

If IAF fells for this presentation then i have nothing to say.

Mi 26 can lift chinook itself, hence no comparison.

Although a bit expensive, but Mi 26 provides forward deployment of very very heavy equipment, like field guns and even a BMP, which chinook can never dream to do.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

Anonymous
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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

the americans will never stop bitching abt their own stuff.

Kannan
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Kannan
7 years 3 months ago

I really like the “Rear Ramp” capability shown in the presentation..It would be awesome if NSG guys are given half a dozen chinook..or better V-22 Osprey would be the best..but don’t Americans will be willing to give us that..

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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

@ Anon at 4:45

You talk of BMPs? The Mi-26 has lifted a crashed MiG-21 out of a crash site!

And Shiv, your article is more of an advertisement. Stop being an Amriki agent!

Maximus
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7 years 3 months ago

@Anon 4:45

Carrying chinook is different from what weight chinook can carry! An ant is said to have the power to carry 9 times its own weight. Does that mean the ant next to it is weaker?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

“And Shiv, your article is more of an advertisement. Stop being an Amriki agent!”

Thats 100% true

Anonymous
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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

Shiv gets to visit the US twice a year on invitations from Lockheed, Boeing and the likes….and they also invite him to meet thier Vice Admiral (read post below), which is for a select bunch of journos , not for everyone. He is invited despite being in a small, never watched channel….while the rest are left out..why wouldn’t he advertise for them, and be thier agent.

Sorry Shiv , I had to give out your truth.

Bobs
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7 years 3 months ago

nice pics,Shiv…i wish our special forces get hold of atleast a dozen Chinooks……regarding comparisons, Mi-26 is highly capable transport chopper than Chinook in any sense…..can u expect a Chinook to transport 3 RD-33 engines to a remote airbase????????

Abhijoy
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7 years 3 months ago

Why is there so much hate on excellent blogs like livefist and trishul? I for one am extremely grateful to you guys(shiv, prasun, ajai etc.)for giving us access to some damn interesting info which would otherwise defiantly not see any coverage.
From my position most posts are completely unbiased and anyway this is a goddamn personal blog, its opinion media,so a slight bias is perfectly fine.
Seriously guys, stop the personal insults. Present your arguments and disputes cordially and give it factual backing. Be civil.

My 2 cents.

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 3 months ago
The V-22 Osprey has been available for export to India since mid-2005. It has been in the US State Dept’s list of approved-for-export military hardware since then along with the Super Hornet and P-8I and F-16IN. A more realistic comparison would have been between the CH-47F, Sikorsky’s CH-53K and AW-101. The Mi-26T is in a league of its own, no comparison. However, the Mi-26T requires 100 man-hours of maintenance per flying hour, as opposed to the 40 man-hours figure for the CH-47F and AW-101. Therefore, in terms of direct operating costs the Mi-26T loses out. In any case, Rostvertol JSC… Read more »
style
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7 years 3 months ago

Shiv,
Americans are known to be best Power Point presenters. They can make u beleive that 1+1 = 100 not 2.
It would have been better if u have analyzed their presentation and posted about what u beleive about the same.

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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

iaf needs chinook for high altitude operations but not at the expense of mi 26

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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

y don’t boeing compare ah64 with
ka50,52 ,mi28n,mi35m.

which they sold toooooooo costly price to s.korea.

is just bullshit by comparing two helicopters.

mi26 is in its own class and can carry more payload than any other helicopter and thats y its heavy,

mi26 is built for totally different purpose.

left wing nut job
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left wing nut job
7 years 3 months ago

Mi-26 ceiling: 4,600 m
MH-47 ceiling: 5,640 m

Not to mention MH-47 is cheaper to operate and its parts base is MUCH larger than the handful of Mi-26 that are in operation now. The Chinook will have much better availability rates as well.

Mi-26 still has a niche to fill in the IAF but can’t do what the IAF wants from the Chinook.

debu.
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debu.
7 years 3 months ago

Chinook Vs. the Mi-26, a work horse vs. a elephant, if these are in competition for the same role, that will be news alright.

I think if they are in the competition then the IAF might have the idea that the Mi-26 capability is not required, in which case they could be right, as they have to fly these things and not us.

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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago
The Mi-26 has the same carry capacity as a C-130. 20 tonnes, it can carry 90-150 troops costs about $ 12 Million. It is old tech now – helicopter building tech has moved on far ahead. But still nothing can match the Mi-26, maybe as prasun sengupta says the Mi-46 will be more state of art. Besides there are problems with building the Mi-26 these days. Chinook is way out of league here, it is more comparable to the venerable Mi-17 that IAF operates. That is what is being targetted here. While the Mi-17 transports 32 troops and lifts about… Read more »
Anant Dhamala
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7 years 3 months ago

I think this comparison is more geared towards comparing CH 47 with CH 52 Super Stallion. I agree that Mi 26 is league apart from the CH 47, hence it would be more fitting to use this presentation to compare CH 47 with CH 53… JMT

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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

bobs, why would you want to transport 3 rd33 engines to a remote airbase using helicopters ? i suppose the heavy transport aircrafts can do that

Prasun K Sengupta
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7 years 3 months ago
To Anon@12:29PM: You seem to be echoeing the popular perception that is frequently parrotted about the so-called threat from the USS Enterprise’s entry into the Bay of Bengal in December 1971. FYI all that was ordered by the US Joint Chiefs at that time was the aircraft carrier’s re-deployment off India’s eastern seaboard. As the Nixon Archives as well as declassified US State Dept correspondence of that time have since revealed, there were no clear or specific rules of engagement (ROE) issued to the Enterprise battle group by either the US President or the Joint Chiefs. And without ROEs, any… Read more »
Bobs
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7 years 3 months ago

anon @ 3:32 pm
I was talking about something that happened for real during my posting at a particular place……I have even seen a video which shows an Mi-26 lifting a Chinook to a safer location……so the bottomline is Mi-26 cannot be compared with anyone else.

Bobs
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7 years 3 months ago

heck , the Mi-26 even lifted a damaged cheetah heli to the airbase once…..can u expect chinook to do all these stuff?….if the Mi-26 were to go , it would be better if we invest in a few skycranes like Kaman K-max,in its place.

Mihir
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7 years 3 months ago

I have even seen a video which shows an Mi-26 lifting a Chinook to a safer location……so the bottomline is Mi-26 cannot be compared with anyone else.

That defies logic. Theoretically, even a Chinook could life another Chinook. Do we now conclude that there is no difference between it and the Mi-26?

This whole Mi-26 lifting a Chinook thing says *nothing* about the its capability. The latter isn’t a particularly heavy payload for the former.

Mihir
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7 years 3 months ago

Shiv, from the slides, it is pretty obvious that Boeing is comparing the Ch-47 with the CH-53, and not the Mi-26.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

Shiv, do YOU realize that the HELO in the image is the CH-53 stallion and NOT THE Mi-26 ??

LOL !! this is a major goof-up on your part I’m sorry to say.

Change Your Headline !

Anonymous
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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

well prasun,
It doesn’t take a “Panch-Varshiya Yojna” to issue ROE to carrier battle groups. For sure they were not in the Bay of Bengal for humanitarian efforts.
The intent was clearly to intimidate India – show support for pakistan, send a message to India, that extending the war in the western sector into west pakistan would lead to certain untoword consequences.

All this left unsaid but understood by all. Unless of course a person doesn’t want to see the obvious.

Anonymous
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7 years 3 months ago

Prasun,
In 1971, the Nixon administration was bearing down heavily on Indira Gandhi to end the war prematurely. They were openly calling for an end to hostilities, Track two was conveying more serious messages. Then the USS enterprise with its flotilla suddenly enters a war zone.
Do you really believe that a Naval force that big entering a war zone goes in without a ROE ?
Your sense of imagination is amazing!

Dr. Dayanand Shastri
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Dr. Dayanand Shastri
7 years 3 months ago

shiv @ 2:37am
look Shiv, Slide 4 may be correct in terms of technical parameters ……but the chopper displayed in other pics is the CH-53 SuperStallion …..just check out the sideviews of Mi-26 and CH-53 and you’ll find out the difference…the point is the americans have horrribly failed while comparing the chinook aganist the Mi-26….at the best ,they can compare a chinook with a stallion ,as the slides show.

Mihir @ 11:18pm
R u a nut? study some basic mathematics and physics before blurting out blunders such as “a chinook can lift another chinook” !
do you know why the Mi-26 was built?

Mihir
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7 years 3 months ago

Dear “Dr” Dayanand,

Please learn some basic English and develop passable comprehension skills before asking others to “study some basic mathematics and physics”. What does the term “theoretically” mean? And why does my whole argument depend on that one word?

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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

hey, isn’t the last few anon comments by Prasun himself?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
7 years 3 months ago

CH-53K FTW. It will be almost as powerful as the Mi-26 (22,500 shp vs. 23k for the Mil) and will be able to operate off a ship as well.

A taxpayer
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6 years 7 months ago

One cannot believe all Boeing says.Slides 5 and 8 are false. It is NOT true that the back of the MI-26 has an 8 feet clearance due to its tail rotor. See for yourselves in the following pictures. The drawing in slide 5 of the Boeing slide-show represents a CH-53. I suspect they "converted" a CH-47 vs CH-53 presentation to clumsily attempt to apply it to the MI-26.

http://www.avia-russia.com/page4/files/mi-26_3-2.jpeg

http://www.segurancaedefesa.com/Mi-26T_6.jpg

For those who truly want to compare the CH-47 to the MI-26, see this picture:

http://www.helicopassion.com/images/MI26/MI26-25c.jpg

Unknown
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3 years 6 months ago

A good one by Shiv Aroor.
I had been following you sparsely for some time and I have to say your insight in the defence,especially Indian defence is outstanding considering other journos who take regular Army movement as coup!Though your coverage is limited on TV but you do a commendable job on the internet.
Its heartning to see not all hope is lost yet.
Keep up the good work Shiv!

Unknown
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3 years 6 months ago

A good one by Shiv Aroor.
I had been following you sparsely for some time and I have to say your insight in the defence,especially Indian defence is outstanding considering other journos who take regular Army movement as coup!Though your coverage is limited on TV but you do a commendable job on the internet.
Its heartning to see not all hope is lost yet.
Keep up the good work Shiv!

Unknown
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3 years 6 months ago
And people who are spewing bile here untwist your undies please.Shiv only put up the slide of Boeing presentation.He did NOT lobby for either aircraft(atleast here).Though I admit I don't follow his every report but whatever I have,till now,he has been fairly reasonable and unbiased. Now coming to the comparisons.If we leave Mi26 enormous lifting capability,Chinook maybe advantageous in the following.It is better defended against SAM,better maneuvering,better after service and possibly spares(if USA does not try to become a d***).After the whole Admiral Gorshkov debacle I am wary of Russian exports.It's not about supporting a Socialist comrade no more.Plus construction… Read more »
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Anonymous
8 months 12 days ago

Everybody loves to talk about the V22…. anybody heard how noisy it is!

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