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57 Comments on "“Army Does Not Want More Than 124 Arjun Tanks. It Is Official”"

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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Does this mean that Arjuns failed the tests? Or rather T 90s outclassed the Arjuns?

aaditya1979
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6 years 2 months ago

High time someone takes the army to task,make it accountable and expose it by filing an public interest litigation in the court. The Army should not be able to squander public money on foreign imports without any reason.

vijay
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vijay
6 years 2 months ago

What a shame.

Suneeth
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Suneeth
6 years 2 months ago
F*ck the army, rather the idiot old staff officer who would have forced this decision. No brains all brawn. These same idiots who for the sake of their petty egos forced this decision, will be content to send young 20-30 year olds to their deaths in the flaming piece of junk that is the T-90. Same as Kargil. Idiot staff sitting and sipping whisky and talking of kicking the Pakis out, while YOs and JCOs had to crawl up under blistering fire to dislodge the Pakis. As they say, every large organizations biggest enemy is change, and its own peoples… Read more »
samir
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6 years 2 months ago

sivji what is the reason that forced the army take such a decesion ? can enlight us…

Pratik Das
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6 years 2 months ago

Love your work Shiv, but I must point out a technicality. This news can only be "official" when DRDO is informed. As you know, anything is possible in India and there could be an about turn by then.

Nk
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6 years 2 months ago
Can we pull all Armed forces, neta and babus to court for they have been shipping billion dollars of Indian money and jobs to western world for their personal gains. Can we file an RTI on why they have decided not to order more indegenious product rather go after foreign product. I do not deny we have to purchase some weapons from foreign land but 90% of our arms are imported by our desi armed forces. May be we have to import foreign armed forces, neta and babus as our very own have brought in no better development or R&… Read more »
Kartik
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Kartik
6 years 2 months ago
Its extremely sad to see the IA doing this. Corruption is rife and the Tehelka scandal as well as the recent Sukhna land scam only go to show the rot that has set in at the top of the IA's rungs. As Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat had said, only the pliant and the corrupt were being promoted in order to co-opt them into the arms deals along with politcians and arms vendors. In New Delhi's Ministry of Finance circles, the Russian arms dealers and their influence on the IA is well known. the IA will come to regret this decision the… Read more »
Kartik
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Kartik
6 years 2 months ago
This is a report on the field trials for penetration on T-90 and T-80U tanks in Russia. Keep in mind that it was the purchase of the T-80UD by Pakistan from Ukraine that caused the IA to panic and buy the T-90S. The IA's top brass deliberately didn't even include the Shtora-1 EOCMDAS systems in the T-90S contract just so that the contract price could be kept low and they could justify buying hundreds of these T-72 follow-ons instead of the Arjun saying that the Arjun cost Rs. 5 crore more per piece. This has been a procurement scam since… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Tin-90 not inducted in large number but already the MBT of Indian Army? lol Though it has all sort of problems?

The main thing is Tin-90 tank brings money to the pocket but desi Arjun does not!

If Arjun does not is not modern than Tin-90 is a medieval era tank.

Jigish Parikh
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6 years 2 months ago

Reminds me of Rang De Basanti, Mig-21(Flying coffins) and IAF. Shiv, let us all come together and contact some film producer( I know one) to expose rot in the IA through most popular desi media, a movie. Seriously, we cannot let the rascals screw up our decades of efforts and throw away public money for foreign orders.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Anything short of replacing all T-72s with Arjuns is Treason.
Anything lightweight in mechanized and armoured divisions is nothing but a Coffin and a doctrine built around transporting them is a doctrine of transporting jawans "pre-packaged" in their Coffins, nothing else.

May God punish these traitors among the protectors with the worst diseases.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Can anyont say clearly that
is Army saying that Arjun is not good option for army? but T90 is better Option…
We cant take any chance whatever it cost… if its not good not good…
Indian made Indian made what always Indian made.. If we cant make satisfactory product after so many years than no reason to buy it..

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

And the T-90 is modern right? What a joke. The Arjun could kick it's butt head to head. How much kickback and Natashas are involved? Gotta hand it to the Russians. They might have inferior products but they will give you money and women to swallow their inadequacies. Shame on you Indian Army.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

only one reason army want their percentage in imported tanks

the most professionally corrupted army in the world "jai ho army" u can proove anything

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

only one reason army want their percentage in imported tanks

the most professionally corrupted army in the world "jai ho army" u can proove anything

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago
The Arjun controversy exposes the Indian Nation down to its naked roots. The Army is playing with the Indian defence, the scientific establishment and the resolute efforts of untold Indians. There is a huge conspiracy about, apart from the usual reasons of corruption and politics. The Russians with Indians as willing partners are destroying our defences, by exercising complete control over the qualitative and quantitative aspects of Indian military hardware. The aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, the Indo – US military transport plane being manufactured in Russia, all point to this phenomenon. We are losing not only countless jobs but making… Read more »
Rahul
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Rahul
6 years 2 months ago

Will not be surprised at all, if i see another report on this very topic that too here on LIVEFIRST speaking otherwise. I am getting used to it.

There will be more Arjuns if someone is to be believed more that Shiv(no offence Shiv)

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AA
6 years 2 months ago
Karthik, corruption is endemic in all walks of life. If criminals get elected to government, what’s stopping many from abusing their positions for personal/ political gain? Plenty though are stupid, incompetent &/or lazy. This Arjun decision can’t been taken without a lot of oversight and with good reasons for it. IA has backed off the present Arjun but is encouraging Mk-2 version. Significant Army $$ should also came by way of FMBT project. DRDO ought to have Mk-2 done without too much difficulty. It could insist on a fairly big order. In the meanwhile new tanks are being inducted.. and… Read more »
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Ranjeet
6 years 2 months ago
This is the lowest point in the history of CORRUPT weapons procurement policies of the Indian Army. Yes, we may be civilians, but all independent analysts have confirmed that the Arjun is a far better tank than the T-90. Yet, the Army inducts T-90 (with all it's teething glitches), while summarily rejecting the Arjun on more flimsical excuses. All this, exacerbated by a heavily biased DRDO-bashing media, sealed the fate of the Arjun. To hell with the Indian Army. DRDO must now try to salvage the effort and cost of the Arjun project by trying to export it to friendly… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

we have to do something about this corruption in our armed forces. anybody with bright ideas?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Wah meri India! How did we allow these corrupt babus to take the lives of the youngsters that will fight for our freedom in those wretched tincans? Why is there no outcry at this travesty at the hands of the Natashas? Goddamned cowards, each one of us – we deserve to get our asses kicked and our youngsters killed for letting this level of corruption to set into the system.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago
Let aam junta buy Arjuns and create a separate armour regiment comprising of volunteers alone. This would send a message to the people concerned. Logistics is hardly an excuse. There are blokes I guess who don't want to move ass and adapt. The same higher ups ignored several intrusion warnings and were busy socializing when the heights were being occupied by PA and their Jihadi half brothers in Kargil. It took a shell landing dangerously close to the officers mess to shake them out of their drunken stupor. The Army was an institution the whole nation looked up to. When… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

To those in the IA who are doing this:

Sirs, if you go ahead with this, you will stand naked. Exposed as being as corrupt as the "bloody civilians" you publicly loathe.

Going ahead with this is the same as betraying the country. And it will be seen as such by the vast majority of people, inspite of all the filthy journalists you purchase.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Bravo Russia… Bravo Mr. Putin…. You beat the bloody desi Arjun hands down on Indian soil itself. Bravooooo.. Long live Babudom!

Indian Army does not want the Arjun just because of 'logistics'!!! If an Indian made tank creates logistic problem for them than they should never buy any new tank.. ever….

Just be happy with tincan, see what happened with it in recent Russia-Georgia war.

Hail the great Indian Natashas and kickbacks….

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Indian public has to be blamed… they watch and run away while babus gets kickbacks…

Dominic
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Dominic
6 years 2 months ago
Hey Guys, I really enjoyed every one of your comment. U guys r the real heroes in the midst of this clowny circus (I.E Indian Army and Govt). I must say that I wanted to join the IA, but when I realised the mess that has been created (kudos to the babus and the pot bellied col's) I opted against it. One of the bloggers even mentioned abt making a movie of selecting the t90 instead of the arjun —- I assure u it will be one heck of a laugh riot (starring all the pot bellied mantris and col's)… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

The tank driver in the picture reminds me of Shiv…

rajeev
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6 years 2 months ago

Not sure why is everybody bashing the army.

If the army was able to reject the Arjun with authority after the trials, that means it is crap.

Arjun is officially a failed project now. Funny considering it has 60% foreign content.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago
It is such a sad situation to see most of the above comments shaming the army (to the point of accusing them of treason, corruption and what not). This is the same institution which inspite of almost everything else (of society, government etc.) failing in this country has stood by and maintained the sovereignty, integrity and safety of this country.Shame on you people for being thankless and over-opinionated…!!!I personally also am disappointed that Arjuns are not being inducted in larger nos., but will never jump the gun and accuse this institution of all the garbage written above.There can be reasons… Read more »
Anil Kumar
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Anil Kumar
6 years 2 months ago

Ahem, let's see what the traditional DRDO-bashers, messrs Rajat Pandit and Manu Pubby have to say on this. I'm sure they'll report it very gleefully….after receiving a pay-packet from Rosoboronexport !

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

The problem is that the Indian public is not very much concerned abt defense and related matters so the babus army and government does what it wants at the expanse of our money
we should wake up now & register some kind of protest (PIL)
anything like internet movement on social sites, pmo etc

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Maybe the army is right…but then it must declare that those international evals of arjun were bull****…..
It should make its position clear

and i'm not being unpatriotic in this….patriotism is not in always assenting to decisions!!!!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

If DRDO is serious about saving the Arjun MBT and proving that self-suffiency is possible then they better come up with the Mark-2 as such noboby would be able to say its faulty. Indian defence has become a source of mockery for foreigners let's prove our worth..
JAi hind

joydeep ghosh
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6 years 2 months ago
to shiv aroor my friend I agree Arjun can be logistics nightmare. 1. It weighs 58.5 tons, 12 ton more than T-72/T90. 2. Will need specially made wider carraige to transport them by road or by rails. 3. MoD will have to reinforce the bridges in rajasthan, gujarat n punjab so that Arjuns can operate in these prime tank areas. 4. But tell me something who told you that there will be no more Arjuns in present configuration. 5. I can safely say there will be atleast order for another 124 Arjuns before mark2. 6. I suggest we all wait… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

I think we are heading towards becoming 'ghulam' of foreign powers again

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago
Army rejected the tank after trials??!! The army shied away from comparative trials saying that one cannot compare a BMW (Arjun) to a Maruti (T90). If the army rejects an obviously superior product in favor of an import then they have to come up with darned good solid reasons. If bridges have to be strengthened and rolling stock has to be procured, then please conduct an estimate of how much it will cost, and then prove that this cost is overwhelmingly high. High enough to negate the great benefits of building an indigenous tank building capability. To the genius who… Read more »
Ajay Juneja
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Ajay Juneja
6 years 2 months ago

The Army is NOT a holy cow, which cannot be subjected to criticism and even allegations of corruption. Simply because we respect the border jawan who is ready to lay his life down for the country, does not mean that we have no right to question the Army over dubious arms procurements.

We, as taxpaying citizens of a democratic republic have every right to pull-up the errant Army officers by their collars, and demand why they accept fault-ridden T-90 junks, while rejecting a much superior Arjun.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago
If Arjun needs wider carriages in Transport aircraft then India should make provisions now itself in the joint Indo-Russian MTA or buy some A-400M that can transport heavier tanks. Look at what us & uk heavy tanks did to iraqui tanks that were similar tin-cans. And look at what happened to similar tin-cans in recent georgia war. Just buy heavier tank capable transport aircraft if that is the problem. Why buy an inferior light tank to keep a transport aircraft in operation !!! Yes bridges might need rework too but that would help to transport anything else that was heavier… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

What do we know about Arjun? Really. It seems to be a national symbol of pride. Maybe curruption is holding it back or maybe it is lesser capabilities then t 90?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

The army needs to conduct a transparent Arjun vs. T-90 trials and make the results available to general public. Period.

May the best tank win. Anything else will make a mockery of this whole issue.

Sanchayan
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6 years 2 months ago

Arjun can't be airlifted by ny aircraft odr than th Globemaster, C-5 Galaxy or the An-124.. the T-90/72 can be airlifted by an Il-76(it was airlifted to Sri Lanka nd even to Leh).. an IAF Il-76 can lift upto 40-45 tonnes.
the joint indo russian MTA can carry upto 20 tonnes(enough for a BMP)

Arjun should hve had a sloped turret like the Merkeva.. a box shaped turret makes it more vulnerable

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

GUYS DO NOT GET OVER EXCITED IT TAKES TIME TO TAKE DECISIONS SUCH AS PLACING FURTHER ORDERS AND THE RESULTS OF THE TRIAL ARE NOT EVEN OUT AS YET………THE ARJUN SEEMS TO HAVE DONE WELL……FROM NO NEGATIVE PUBLICITY IN THE PAPERS.LET US WAIT N WATCH.

Arun
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6 years 2 months ago

It is time to remove corruption from government and the armed forces.
It depends on the few Indians who really care.
It seems like most Indians dont have any feeling of pride, or patriotism.
If they did, they would not engage in such acts of betrayal.
The betrayal will be most painful if these politicians send hundreds of Indian troops into war with useless (T-90) equipment.
The betrayal will be the war itself ( more things are resolved using dialogue) and the fact that there is an utter disregard for the value of human life.
I did not expect this from
Shri A.K Anthony

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

Even Leopard does not have sloped shape like Merkava but has that affected its popularity ? How were the yank and brit tanks transported if they are also heavy? India too is on its way to become largest operator of C17 Globemaster in the region. It can use the same to transport Arjuns.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

The army feels the T-90 suits best their needs should we in the name of national pride or because of bureaucrats force the Arjun tank on them,the army is going to fight with that and they believe the T-90 is best we should not jump to conclusions.

As to the Arjun i agree the army was a flip-flopper on the changing requirements for the tank but then DRDO has its share of blame for unacceptable delays.instead of bickering they should come with a powerful and good looking ARjun mark-2 not that boxy shape turret…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

we are going to buy around 10 C-17s(will cost us $2.5 bn) while the iaf already has 24 Il-76s making it much easier to transport these "tin cans"

talking abt the leopard 2.. it is not combat tested(it has faced some IEDs but i don't think it has ever participated in a tank-battle)

Anonymous
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6 years 2 months ago
Here are the arguments against the Arjun: Army dont like it – False – Army thinks its a BMW compared to the t-90 maruti 800 It cant be airlifted by IL76 – True – Thats why its okay to have a few t-90s for emergencies. Or are you thinking of airlifting 2000 tanks somewhere? LOL Bridges cant support it – True – Strengthen bridges. We have to do some nationbuilding sometime. Cant live off what the british built forever. No Sloped Turret – this is too dumb to respond to Not "Good Looking" – this is where I will start… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 2 months ago

when i said sloped armour, i ws nt refering to th looks..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloped_armour

a horizontally moving round will apparently find it more difficult to penetrate .. it can also deflect projectiles better..

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