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76 Comments on "EXCLUSIVE: Official Wishlist of Evolutionary Technologies for India’s 5thGen AMCA"

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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

WOW thats what all indians will like to see…if achieved within time.

Proud to be an indian…chakde

I would like to know about its manuverability like su-30..anything special on that part?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

its really a ambitious one ,i hope i wont turn out to be like lca project 🙁

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

What about the RADAR ??

saurav jha
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5 years 6 months ago

Although not something which i expected, the article certainly gives an insight of what is the wish list for AMCA. And looking at the list now it seems that the 2018 deadline is 5-8 years early projection.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

Have they set a deadline for these to be ready?

Any update on the airframe?

Is the cockpit going to retain the rim arc? That won't be stealthy.

Indranil

Heberian
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Heberian
5 years 6 months ago

Sweet! Now to make all this happen.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

As long as we are dreaming, why not get Shaktiman, Spiderman, Phantom and Batman with the AMCA?

Payeng
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5 years 6 months ago

very ambitious….

VAP
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VAP
5 years 6 months ago
There are space programmes that have aims less complicated than all of that… But it does all sound very impressive.Can I just ask for confirmation on the combat parameters the AMCA is being designed to fit? Is it supposed to be a multirole fighter, the same category under which the F-35 JSF is being designed, or is it being designed as a strike fighter with secondary air superiority functions?Assuming that the predicted IOC dates seen on certain news reports are correct, the AMCA should enter service around the same threshold that has been noted as the end of the IAF's… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

Gr8 shiv… waiting for MCA to fly at least with half of these technologies…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

WoW.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

If its done time and budget…kudoos to HAL and ADA

Prasun K. Sengupta
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5 years 6 months ago
A couple of observations on the projected AMCA:1) The Tejas Mk2's cockpit will be far less cluttered than is the case with that of the Mk1 variant. In fact, the HUD can easily be removed TODAY as the HMD is a far more capable replacement. In addition, direct voice input (DVI) of the kind on board the EF-2000 Typhoon will also go on board the Mk2 M-MRCA. 2) Panoramic AMLCDs are already on board airliners like the A350 and COMEC AC-319. In fact, at the 2008 Airshow China in Zhuhai I saw them on display and they are reportedly on… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

I think they left out some important other features to the wish list:

1) VTOL option
2) UCAV option
3) Active camouflage
4) Tailless, wingless and body-less design to achieve max. stealth.
5) Warp coils to achieve speed of light.

Did I leave anything out?

Cujo

Rajat
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Rajat
5 years 6 months ago

Thanks Shiv, you have done good work.
It will be a incredible fighter when it comes to reality

SKINS
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5 years 6 months ago

WOW that was a would be a huge leap to our aerospace industry .I came to know that HAL had asked its user IAF for its wishlist and here it is if the user {IAF} has given these specifications i could imagine the level of confidence they have on our aerospace industry

satish kumar kandala
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5 years 6 months ago

OMG! what a wishlist!
I bet they will be hiring a lot
Time to update my resume.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

Well, all the best to the designers…

Lets hope aiming for the stars does not result in LCA like delays.

But if they even manage to do half of the mentioned stuff then KUDOS to them…

aniket
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5 years 6 months ago

Wow that's good to see but wat abt engines,radars and weapons . kaveri is goin to continue or something new and wat abt Mig LMFS is there any connection.plz update

Particles
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Particles
5 years 6 months ago
Hi Shiv, Most of your article only talks about the user interface. For those who working in computers & electronics, these UI modifications are simple. Given money, any company can develop those interfaces. What is more important is the sensor fusion and its usefulness in the 3d situational awareness. What it seems is that they are trying to replace the older sensor technology with the newer one…But what is need is the newer applications of sensors not new technology to build the sensors; because those old sensors can be replaced with the newer sensors at time during an upgrade. Coming… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

Prasun
What happened to your blog why don't you update it anymore?
Gaurav

Cane-an
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5 years 6 months ago

My only question is WHY?
Why cannot we just quickly bring out an AMCA Mk-1 with not too much high-falutin stuff within time and cost and in sufficient numbers? Atleast let the Indian see the plane in air! Then the star trek enthusiasts in IAF/HAL/ADA can get on with their stuff…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago
DRDO, other gov. labs and private firms in India are now stepping out of their infancy. So we can't rationally judge them based on their past. It is like saying that a 9 month child is incapable of speaking and walking, and then giving up on the child. MOST INDIAN FIRMS ARE IN THIER GROWTH STAGE; MEANING, THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING MUCH BETTER NOW THAN WHAT THEY DID IN THE PAST. So, yes, except for the engines, we can do this within the given time. These things should be much more easily accomplishable now. Now, we have much more… Read more »
abhay
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abhay
5 years 6 months ago

With DRDO off the restricted list the guys have came up with MS and phd topics to rush to US on tax payer's money. More papers to be published.

Brij
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Brij
5 years 6 months ago

Great Shiv Sir. This is the best analysis one can get on AMCA. Great work. Great dedication. Congrats to ADA too for letting all of us know what AMCA is all about through Livefist.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

Nothing revolutionary in the field but revolutionary for us. Best of luck to our scientists.

coolgeek
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coolgeek
5 years 6 months ago

So when can we expect this ? 2080 ?

Anurag
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5 years 6 months ago
Looks like MCA is going to take quite some time.I don't see flying it before 2020.Well wishlist is quite impressive but one thing that i was thinking that when MCA will be produced between something like 2020-30,where will MCA stand between contemporary aircrafts.Plus This will be the major Indian aerospace project in near future till 2025(led by gov orgs),so what kind of involvement by private industries will be seen in near future in aerospace.I mean i heard Mahindra is developing aerospace capabilities,Tata working on that etc, so my point is when will we see competition in Aircraft development in india?… Read more »
sanu
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5 years 6 months ago

oh boy!thats one heck of a wishlist.i bet the chinese would faint seeing this!anyways,ab panga le hi liya hai toh pura karna hi padega.my concerns r the engine & radar(in the end we should posses their building tech).we should develop new weapons for new aircrafts to be inducted.SELF SUFFICIENCY IS THE MAIN GOAL 4 ALL THESE EFFORTS.best of luck to the hal folks.!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

i hope it gets completed before 2030 when USA launches its 6th gen fighter..

also why not have a JV with israel for AMCA or JAPAN?

Rahul
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Rahul
5 years 6 months ago

"unlike the cluttered, resoundingly less-than-fourth-generation cockpit of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA Tejas)"

As far as i remember i never criticized any of yours. But this analysis is no where near to truth.

Contrary to your analysis LCA's cockpit is far better than of many 4th generation fighters(not 4.5 and 4.5++). You may like to see these pics of Mirage 2000C's, Mig-29U's and F-18D's for the shake of comparison.





This s of LCA(pic is small but gives close to full look)

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Anonymous
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5 years 6 months ago

I dont know how long this MCA is going to take another 30 – 50 years similar to his cousin LCA – 25 years.

Regards,
TAX PAYER

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

So I gues the Initial funding of this project must be atleast $2 billion or else this wishlist cant be achieved.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

I completely agree with what Particles at 9:45AM said most of what you have written is about electronics and computing. I dont know about other fifth gen tech like engine, stealth RAM etc as experience in these field is less But india should be able to do at least this. There are many capable companies in india who could do this given an opportunity.

Anonymous
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5 years 6 months ago
mathi man
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mathi man
5 years 6 months ago
I think this technology wish list is great and it is aiming for the skies in the fields we indians are good at : ie.,avionics, the fly by wire systems, the datalinks, the Structural integrity monitor system,etc. But what about the Engine Specifications??????? ENGINE IS the heart and core of the AMCA. Can we afford just buying out an engine from Boeings and the ilk? again for AMCA? Can we call it indegenous?? ENGINE specs are what I will first chalk out if i were to start the AMCA. May be i missed? but its not there> I would also… Read more »
mathi man
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mathi man
5 years 6 months ago

I would also like to hear about:

THE Radar,
The BVR ability
Any DRDO initiative to build a BVR based on brahmos?
The Vector thrust ability

I would like to base our AMCA on the RAFALE, multirole fighter with nuclear delivery capacity

Gautam
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5 years 6 months ago
I notice that your 'wishlist' glosses over some key aspects of a fifth generation fighter design, like STEALTH, SENSOR SUITE and ENGINE. Doubtless more details will appear eventually, but in general ADA's goals are far too lofty to be achieved in any realistic timeframe on their own. We do have the knowhow to develop some of the components worthy of a fifth-gen fighter, but we cant achieve it alone unless we are prepared to wait till 2030 or so by which time these features will have become ordinary and common, as has become the case for LCA. What is best… Read more »
keshto
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5 years 6 months ago

First think about the entity list of state department where many of our defense firms are blacklisted. Technology denied is technological progress delayed!

many a slips between a taxi-off and a take-off!

As for wishlist – is it a wish list or a wishlist? for one is tea and the other being coffee!

ArkAngel
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ArkAngel
5 years 6 months ago

DRDO's AMCA …. going where no man has gone before.

nikhilesh
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nikhilesh
5 years 6 months ago

it's a nice attempt if ti complite it's a great job but please dont make it hf24 or lca

keshto
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5 years 6 months ago

Can we call it indegenous??

Which modern fighter is indegeneous in today´s globalised world?

Technologies are bought n sold come every sunshine. Even the SR-71 Blackbird (whose mission was against Russia), ironically imported Titanium from it (Russia).

A-380, a double decker Airbus (French) uses Rolls engine (British), Gripen uses GE (USA) engines, Chines use Russian, Russians use Ukrain stuff and so forth.

Bottom of the barrel, if we have maximum indegeneous stuff stuffed in our fighters, good enough.

There is no single country independent enough to own all the technologies/Patents/products of the world.

Think 3D baba…..

SherKhan
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SherKhan
5 years 6 months ago
This aircraft at the most will be 4.5 gen and not a 5th gen outright (as stated by ADA?). Furthermore it will be 20 years behind the current 5th gen technology when/if it ever enters service. Most of the technologies mentioned are already in the J-10B boyz. The remainder will enter J-10 and even JF-17. The modular appraoch has already been used for the JF-17, it is the reason they can adapt it so fast. India should be aiming for the F-22 class fighter and not a J-11BS. If i was IAF i would be looking for more F-35's, more… Read more »
Prasun K. Sengupta
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5 years 6 months ago
To mathi man: If the Tejas Mk2 has been specified to have an AESA-based multi-mode radar on board, it will be logical to assume that the AMCA too will have it–it is mandatory, if you've read Shiv's past posts on the AMCA in LIVEFIST. As for BVR engagements, the Astra BVRAAM can and will evolve into a LRAAM. BrahMos is too heavy to morphe into a LRAAM. The powerplant will of course be the Kaveri turbofan incorporating the SNECMA core. Thrust vectoring for the AMCA is not desirable since platforms like the AMCA will be optimised for BVR air combat… Read more »
Anonymous
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5 years 6 months ago

@Prasun & @Shiv
Which aircraft would you recommend for IAF out of the 5 competing platforms in MMCRAs and why

Ben - Yours truly
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5 years 6 months ago

I believe a helmet mounted display (HMD) would be a better choice.since it would make the fighter feel like very much part of the aircraft Ability to classify targets should be vital,so is an ECM suite such as Spectra. More than anything start with naval variant first to replace Mig-29k then progressively tejas as well. I strongly believe the two aircraft would stand sea corrosion for 15 years. Since IAF would alredy have FGFA, the lesser the incentive for AMCA, unless dirt cheap.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 6 months ago

i hope before my two year kind retire it will be done

Anonymous
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5 years 6 months ago

Hmm, check out chinese 5th generation fighter in Google or Wiki. Wiki has the first pic of a Chinese 5th generation. Looks like a rip off F-22.

Cheers,
Bharath

Mr. Ra
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Mr. Ra
5 years 6 months ago

To save the time and avoid future embarrassment if any, they should from the very beginning decide the flexible contents and firm schedules of mk1 and mk2 versions.

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