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60 Comments on "Will India Ever Need The F-35?"

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5 years 3 months ago

Well, For some who are against the F-35, please read Ajai Shukla Blog, where he writes an interesting article on F-35 for India. After reading that article and J-20 recent entry, I would say buy F-35. Having said that, F-35 would have been Ideal for IAF had it been available NOW. PAK FA, F-35, AMCA would have made IAF are very potent force. We could have scrapped MMRCA and bought F-35.

Hope to have a decent debate and please do not use foul language. We are much better than that!

Cheers,
Bharath

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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago

given the problems with the f35 and its escalating cost, it wont be a wise choice.. however media will be happy as they like to keep there mouth at US balls.

Paul
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5 years 3 months ago

USA is not a fool to bet the future USAF fighters aircraft's (excluding F22) on F35, if F35 is not good enough then USA will even loose in global arms market.

For India F35 is the perfect choice for a strike aircraft. Knowing about Russian and US aviation will help us achieve better results in AMCA program.

Rituraj
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Rituraj
5 years 3 months ago

Now that they are ready for it, we should go for it, it'll be awesome having both FGFA and F35!

Madhav
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Madhav
5 years 3 months ago

Yes. We can use it but only if we can get the software codes and are allowed to make modifications to it like Israel does.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
Well, buying fighter jets is not like buying Ipod or laptop every time a new model is launched in the market. Imagine the cost of spares, engine, weapons we will need to buy (due to incompatibility with Russian makes). Also US won't give us TOT (even 50%) for radar etc.Defending a country does not mean going on a splurging spree but hone the aircraft you have to match up the next generation. Only when a generation is passed we could think of buying the next gen. jets.Right now, we are already making FGFA with Russia what is the need for… Read more »
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mathew dallas
5 years 3 months ago
@ shivYou have opened up an interesting debate. Though it has been done before it is still interesting because it beats boredom. Let us not waste time talking about the pros and cons of the F-35( I personally don't like it). But it is the larger picture, the strategic alliance US and India has or is taking against China. We the public will never know but it is I believe a done deal(between MMS and GW), to buy the F-16 and onto the F-35. The F-16 is still the best buy but then it has the, old airframe stigma. But… Read more »
Aditya
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5 years 3 months ago
The F-35 has been dying slowly since the programme began: It is overweight, underpowered, seriously questionable in terms of performance parameters, and possessing of strike and interdiction capacities that are actually lesser than those of existing 4/4+ generation aircraft. Other partner nations have also identified these problems, and have begun slowly cutting down on their orders. The philosophy of the F-35 is based around 'STEALTH = EVERYTHING', a shout back to the sixties American philosophies, when 'MISSILE = EVERYTHING'. Look how that worked out. The VTOL F-35B has been put on 'probation', suffering from problems that run deep into the… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago

nice one Shiv

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
My name is Ujjwal Singh :In the present scenario i do not think india needs F-35 my reasons are:1.India is already going for fgfa and mmrca that accounts for more than 40bn$ and F-35 will only add up to that and even push it to the limit.2.It will be death blow to our own amca program,wich i think india should go for.3.Its still very costly and american hagemony makes very difficult for TOT.Now all that said but i think f-35 is a potent aircraft for our navy rather than air force my reasons are:1.Since the aircraft for our first aircraft… Read more »
the terminator
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the terminator
5 years 3 months ago
India doesn't need and can't afford to have a good number of F35s considering its exorbitant cost and other sanction prone and the excessive misplaced love the Americans they have for the global terrorist export state of Pakistan. What India needs for the next 10 years is a potent force (need not be super 5th generation aircrafts) that is readily available among the MMRCA contenders. India needs at least a defensive/offensive force of at least 60 squadrons to be able to meet the challenges posed by the Paki-Chinki axis. Incidentally it needs to ramp up the depleting submarine force to… Read more »
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
The question is does anybody NEED a fighter with the capabilities of the F-35? And the answer would be Yes. However, the cost of acquisition would be too high. The reason why the US is offering the F-35 is multi-faceted. First they want to prop up their defense industry. The F-35 cost of development is estimated to have risen by 50% and they have already budgeted an additional $3 Billion. The US govt. is keen on having others foot this bill or at least a part of it by asking them to buy it even if they don't really need… Read more »
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago

USA want us to scuttle AMCS and FGFA they had this experience that deniying anything India… is counter productive… IGMDP, Tejas, Arihant, etc… Best they understood do the British Raj did to India… enslave to thier products… and get the moola for enslaving… nothing new… Hope netas & uniformed personal won't fall for the green bucks on offer as in the case of sukna and adarsh…

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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago

We should not let our ego come in front of us and deny this opportunity. we should get whatever good weapon we can get from anywhere. i agree F 35 wont be a good combat fighter but with its awesome range of sensors it can be used to multiply the capabilities of the MCRA jets that are being purchased. So if it were my decision, i would say go for it!

Mirza
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5 years 3 months ago

Did not it is come with strings attached like buy F16/F18 first than we negotiate about JSF.

I am little apprehensive about strings than the JSF

Hardik Patidar
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5 years 3 months ago

why should we beg…
instead we should focus on AMCA
and FGFA
they will be enough if implemented in time.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
India needs F 35. 1) After 20 years of developing India comes up with a Mig 21++ plane. So which generation will be AMCA (it’s not even at embryonic stage yet)? I do know that crossing the first hurdle is the most challenging part but i don’t have much faith in govt controlled largesse (DPUs) to come up with an above average 5th gen fighter. 2) Tejas 2 will not be proper Indian 4th gen fighter if the engine is not Indian. Can Kaveri be ready in that time frame? I think not. 3) Squad strength. Horror Horror!!!!!!!!! Any fine… Read more »
BigLulli
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BigLulli
5 years 3 months ago

No you don't but they need your money.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago

no! no! nononnono!! its too high tech to beat the pakis..At the moment we don't need it!!!

who is ths guy?
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who is ths guy?
5 years 3 months ago
a drama-participant-US,CHINA US-to china-hello chinese,how are you?everything is fine with ur J-20 na??ok..go ahead with ur j-20(i mean ur xerox copy of our stealth)and we will pretend that we did know nothing..ok..gates will say that too to you..CHINA–ok..we are fast copying and giving one or two COPY to pakis too.US-do it before india do some homework(no real job just paper design of paper plane) on FGFA..AND test ur J-20 as fast u can.so that india can change its MMRCA plan/instead developing a finished plane(pakfa) with russians, they buy our F-35..oh we will lure them to participate(i mean only by giving… Read more »
Payeng
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5 years 3 months ago
My take F-35 would be a fine for The Navy although I think India will not gain much experience being a part of development or just merely participating in the program, and that wont help much for India to be a self reliant in aerospace R&D and indigenous military aircraft program, While India have multiple fighter aircraft program like the FGFA partnership, AMCA and the HAL-Tejas Mk-II on the go, merely buying or participating on the F-35 program wont yield much result or even hamper indigenous efforts of indigenous fighter developments, but I feel the F-35 would be a prospective… Read more »
Practical me
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Practical me
5 years 3 months ago

as a lay man if one looks at the pics of F-22/F-35 vs PAK-FA the latter two definitely look more stealthy then PAK-FA.Pak-FA is too huge to be stealthy!! Am not an aerospace engineer so maybe am wrong in my judgement.. to be honest am not too convinced by PAK-FA and it did not attract half of the attention that J-20 was able to catch! so my vote goes to (Maybe)

Vivek
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5 years 3 months ago

The Indian Air Force doesn't need the F-35. Since the MRCA plan has already come too far to be cancelled now and the PAK-FA is set for induction in another 7-8 years, there isn't a lot of scope for the F-35.

The Indian navy on the other hand is an ideal customer. The F-35C will be a generation ahead of the MiG-29Ks and N-Tejas and a perfect fit for the 60kt IAC-2 along with an American made elecromagnetic catapult. As things stand the naval-PAK-FA isn't likely to be available for active service until well after 2020. Maybe even 2025.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago

We do not need any MMRCA anymore. Buy F 35 instead. Send all your egineers to USA and make them learn

Anonymous
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5 years 3 months ago
Do we need the F35? The answer is a definitive YES. Why? Bcoz it is the only VSTOL a/c in the world after the Harrier (which will be retired pretty soon). In modern warfare the 1st casualty will be the runways and highways. If they are rendered useless (as they will be) then no matter whether you have F22 or T50, all of them will be literally sitting ducks. This was precisely how Israel won the 1967 6 days war and how we won the war in less than 2 weeks in 1971. Recent Gulf wars are also excellent examples.… Read more »
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joygoswami
5 years 3 months ago

Indication: DOES IT MEAN THE THEIR F-16/18's HAVE LOST OUT OF MMRCA ? LOOKS LIKE A LAST DITCH EFFORT BY "ANKIL" SAM. Well, honestly it is a temptation, BUT ALL THE GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD, "ANKIL" IS NEVER TO BE TRUSTED THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
Strike when the iron is hot. Due to high cost and few glitches, countries are planning to pull out of the prog (like Turkey) or cut down targeted numbers. USA's economy is just emerging from a severe recession and they have spent far too much money on this project to scuttle it now. Looking at LM and Boeing's capabilities we know they will make this a/c a success. This is the ideal time to negotiate a better deal for ourselves in this project. Letting go of this golden opportunity will be like shooting ourselves on the foot (which we have… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago

F-35 is in the same laegue of stealth fighters just like the f-117some day a paki or a chinki SAM will knock it of the skies then we will say what the hell why did we get the stealth if it cannot beat a SAM. India Has a lot of money but a better way to showcase it is to have better infrastructure development of its human resources OH some long range nuclear tip missiles and nuclear sub and a radar system that can beat so called stealth

Rahul
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5 years 3 months ago

We desperately need a VSTOL Multi-Role Aircraft & F-35 Lig.II would be perfect replacement for our existing Jump-Jets a.k.a "Sea Harriers".

Of course, rather than putting these mean machines under Air Force command structure, it should be integrated with Indian Naval Air Arm.

hardik
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5 years 3 months ago

if we getting the new batch of sukhoi 30 mki for 100 million a pop then why not go in for a 5th gen fighter of nearly the same price. vtol version can be quite handy for replacing old harriers whats say?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago

Shiv,

How many Chinis and Pakis are there among the "Nay" sayers?
Can we get some info about the nationality of those casting their votes on this critical issue?

Anonymous
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5 years 3 months ago
Anon 5.20 PM, That F117 that was brought down by the Serbs was actually a publicity gimmick to show "stealth fighters" are not invincible.The fact is that jet was tracked by the Russians the moment it took off from it's base in Italy. They were able to detect it using low frequency radars and shot not one by several missiles.Pulling of such a stunt is quite possible during peace time. But during war such antics may not be possible as forces allied to the enemy will not be allowed anywhere close to such bases.The 1st Gulf war owes it's success… Read more »
DHRUV
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5 years 3 months ago

for our navy it will be great to have these a/c or i can say ideal but for airforce i will definately say a big noo….. And that too only when usa is selling these planes on our terms.agar kharab ho gaya to banana bhi to padega.lets see what happens

Aroop Gohain Baruah
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5 years 3 months ago

we can consider the f35 for the navy as it has limited range and endurance than PAKFA which will be more suited for the Air Force. but i doubt if our netas,babus or self serving generals,admirals & marshals really understand strategy. for eg. i can never really understand how they entered into a deal with France for Scorpene subs without AIPs wheras pakistan is installing them on their Agostas. Can somebody enlighten me on this?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
Mr. Ra
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Mr. Ra
5 years 3 months ago
If technically the demand of F-35 is decreasing and even then its price is increasing, then the US economy may be swirling in some fishy mode. Why suddenly the blue chip shares of F-22 and F-35 have started hovering on the roads for sale to India. Is there something going wrong with India. What new developments have abruptly downgraded F-22 and F-35 in to second grade Russian technologies enabling them fit to be dumped to India. Notwithstanding the numerous delays, the success of Tejas has imparted India with the confidence, capabilities and opportunity of expansion in to Tejas-mk2 and AMCA,… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
This is a golden opportunity that comes once in a lifetime. Once the global economy rebounds, we may not get such lucrative offers. Both F22 and F35 are pretty much in the advanced stage. If there are glitches in F35, they will be ironed out. This only serves as a reminder to those who are constantly criticizing Tejas over it's lengthy development period. Our participation in the development of F35 will give valuable insights to AMCA project. The biggest advantage that India can offer to F35 programme is allowing complete manufacture of this jet in India. This will bring down… Read more »
anup
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anup
5 years 3 months ago
If we get naval F-35 as some people have proposed,then wont we be leaving the task of fleet defence to anti air missiles on the ships alone?isnt that dangerous? Correct me if i am wrong, but isnt defence of the fleet from air attacks also part of naval fighter job description? Also, i am of the opinion that F-35 doenst have the range to be an effective carrier borne strike aircraft, as it lacks the range and payload required. In the future, due to incresing range of sensors and anti ship missiles,air craft carriers will be pushed farther away from… Read more »
Arihant
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Arihant
5 years 3 months ago

Oh please, not another massively expensive purchase, we're not looking to invade China for effs sake. How about better pay and standards for the armed forces just in case we have money available within the defence budget ..

R
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R
5 years 3 months ago

ONLY for the NAVY.

Anonymous
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5 years 3 months ago
The Indian Army is fat, bloated, racist, corrupt and obsolete. It is a major drain to the exchequer. For last more than 40 years (almost 1/2 century) we have not fought any war and chances of fighting one seems remote as no one can afford to fight one(recent War on Terror will bear this out).What is the need of a million+ strong army during peace time? India is a poor country. We should make it compulsory for everyone to undergo military training, so that during times of war, we can get ready conscripts. This will save necessary funds for R&D… Read more »
Anonymous
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5 years 3 months ago
@Atditya (6:06 AM): Your arguments are accurate and are right on the money. Actually, the JSF is an obscenely overpriced and underpowered piece of junk, fit for psy-ops and PR campaigns to con gulliable and corrupt powers-that-be in tin pot corrupt banana republics like India. I have some very detailed analysis and summarizing diagrams that highlight in a very compelling manner the fact that the JSF is unfit for air superiority missions as well as deep penetration strike against worthy opposition. For starters, its radar aperture is severely limited by its nose geometry, its radar power is severly limited because… Read more »
Artanis
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Artanis
5 years 3 months ago
Answer is both YES and NO as it will depend on future situations but it is more of a Yes simply because it is good to have option and have a backup plan. Some points that come to mind- 1- Pardon the price comparisons as J-20 and FGFA price details are confirmed right now. As much as I adore FGFA it will most likely see a cost hike. It is only natural and is common in military around the world. 2- If you see the US armies' cost projections for future the F-35 is bound to have somewhat reduced cost… Read more »
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5 years 3 months ago
@Artanis: You staated "We reinvented FBW and lost around 5 years just because we lost access to tech.". This "reinventing" of the FBW which you wail about did more to develop an Indian aerospace industry than you could possibly imagine. I'm in the busines of these things and speak not as a keyboard warrior. The quad-redundant FCS on the LCA is even more advanced than that on the SU 30 MKI, Gripen NG, or EF Typhoon. These types are rule based expert systems and are NEVER parted with for love or money. BTW, the FCS is stipulated to be modified… Read more »
Rahul
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Rahul
5 years 3 months ago
stealth technolgy is not invinceble!it is fairly visdible too….enough for afghan cave men talibanis to shoot down the stealth bomber with shouldrr launched stingers….which is good platform! they wouldnt be so fair to sell it to us if it werent junk! okay even if ''junk is a n exxageration it aint good something we badly need…lets continue with indigenous programs….induct more sukhois….fgfa's,mmrca planes sukhois, IAF is going on the right track….52% people used thier brains not thier eyes….its an eye catching machine….the US amry wasnt that happy with its performance either…lets not fall for advertising & propaganda! we saw black… Read more »
Artanis
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Artanis
5 years 3 months ago
@anonymous at 7:00 pm- You misunderstood me. I am VERY proud of Tejas and the FBW we developed (I even mentioned it) but what I was trying to say that in todays world of rapidly changing tech you cant afford to lag behind. Also, I never said India should go ahead for F-35 but I was pointing out the benefit of having a backup plan as the developments often fall behind schedule. If FGFA is delayed 5 years then wouldn't it be nice to have a option?I am proud of AMCA (an Indian FGF that we are developing on our… Read more »
sanu
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5 years 3 months ago

E b koi puchhne ka baat he babua?eb to aur zyada jarurat he jab hamar padosi j20 banane ka kosis ma laga he,aur ek bar oo bana le to hamar dusra padosi ko wo bas milne ka deri he!!

Thats my take,if our enemys have got or getting it then i dont see any question why we shouldnt get also.
Peace V

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5 years 3 months ago
hi bro's here is some interesting news from modWith own 5-Gen fighter project with Russia, India not keen on US jet Read more: With own 5-Gen fighter project with Russia, India not keen on US jet – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/With-own-5-Gen-fighter-project-with-Russia-India-not-keen-on-US-jet-/articleshow/7380551.cms#ixzz1CU4G071X "We cannot have two types of FGFA. We have already launched preliminary work for our FGFA after inking the $295 million preliminary design contract (PDC) with Russia last month,'' said a top defence ministry official on Friday. This comes in the wake of comments made by a top Pentagon official, undersecretary of defence for acquisition, technology and logistics… Read more »
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
The topic of Indian looking for F-35 or any foreign weapon system has a detrimental effect on the jobs and mass migration of Indian students. I hope all are aware about, Indian students duped by US university, I have the queries, Why cannot we create an excellent ecosystem of educational institutions and industries, where any science, commerce or arts graduate is provided decent pay and living condition? Why should we not have excellent student in basic science/commerce/arts? why should we pursue BE/BTech/MBBS/MD/MS to achieve a Rs 18,000/23,000/etc pay. In India most support import of technology, which provide jobs to foreigners… Read more »
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
The topic of Indian looking for F-35 or any foreign weapon system has a detrimental effect on the jobs and mass migration of Indian students. I hope all are aware about, Indian students duped by US university, I have the queries, Why cannot we create an excellent ecosystem of educational institutions and industries, where any science, commerce or arts graduate is provided decent pay and living condition? Why should we not have excellent student in basic science/commerce/arts? why should we pursue BE/BTech/MBBS/MD/MS to achieve a Rs 18,000/23,000/etc pay. In India most support import of technology, which provide jobs to foreigners… Read more »
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