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32 Comments on "Discouraging Pak Requests For Heavy Weapons, Naval Stuff: French Defence Minister"

Spenta Mainyu
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Spenta Mainyu
5 years 4 days ago

$2 billion worth upgrades 4 only 51 aircrafts! Isn't it way too expensive?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago

No restrictions!
This mean Freedom.
This means nuclear capable Rafale! Go Rafale !

indian
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5 years 4 days ago

what spenta mainya said is right better to go get $2billion worth of rafale rather upgrading 51 aircraft max the life will be another 10 year

i thing government should rethink on this

my view we are lacking best fighter . rafale is best the mirage upgrading

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago

Instead of upgrading them for a whopping $2billion, it would be better to buy a squadron of gripen's from sweden. since upgraded mirages do not even come close to the performance of gripen.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago

Rafale is likely to win if it is an L1 case when compared to the Eurofighter. Moreover the Mirage upgrade is too expensive . Rather they should force the French to reduce their perunit cost of the aircraft and instead of upgrading 51 Mirage 2000s it would be better to buy newer and more capable Rafales. The order would obviously be increased to 200 or more Jets after 2020.

DHRUV
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5 years 4 days ago

"There will be no restrictions on the use of our equipment. That is an assurance."
THESE WORDS I LIKE TH MOST.
MMRCA IS A BIG ORDER ,AND SURELY BALL IS IN OUR COURT.HOPE MOD DO ITS WELL TO GET BEST OUT OF IT.
BUT STILL NOT CONVINCED ABOUT MIRAGE UPGRADES''''
SHIV BHAI ,HOPE U WILL SPREAD SOME LIGHT ON THIS;
ANYWAY "how was your day "

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago

"$2 billion worth upgrades 4 only 51 aircrafts! Isn't it way too expensive? "

1986 systems to 2011 ones is a huge jump upgrade

www.bharatgaurav.com
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5 years 4 days ago

The French Minister is ignorant about Indian Connections with France it is not since 1953 but since our fight with the Britishers they trained the Maratha and Sikh Armed forces but alas the French lost. I only hope not this time

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago

Dassault is not interessed by upgrade mirage and don t care about it, For get it India must pay high price for upgrade from dassault, but israel can do the job for less money, it was not choice of India.
If India don t buy rafale it is clear, Dassault continu work with other country. Dassault is only interessed to sell rafale, mirage is the past. EF2000 got a clear humiliation face to rafale, last fight score ( Rafale 8-1 Ef2000 Solensara 2009, Rafale 7-1 Ef2000 UAE 2010/12)

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago

50 million $ for each Mirage 2000 is too expensive. Instead of that we must ask the french to swap our Mirages with Rafales at lower cost. They can sell our Mirages to 3rd countries. It makes absolutely no sense to splurge 2 billion $s on jets that are past their prime particularly after J20 has entered the arena.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago

instead of upgrading mirage now, we should wait another 5 years, so we have techs of rafale or typoon with wich we have enough tech to upgrade m2000 by india at low cost and also thus we have an extented life spane for m2000 untill AMCA to replace it.

Paul
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5 years 4 days ago

When will India replace its Mig27ML's and purchase some new state of the art strike aircraft's?

Mr. Ra
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Mr. Ra
5 years 4 days ago

Seems to have been a good session.

If Mirage-2000 upgrade is really too costly and not satisfactory, then If justified Israel may be given a chance at lower costs to maintain the numbers of Mirage squadrons for another 10 years.

Otherwise leave the Mirage-2000s to themselves and purchase the cheapest option i.e. Gripen within the same cost or somewhat additional cost.

I mean do something worthwhile now.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago

for the mirage 2000, please take in account the missiles being bought as well. This explains the price and rises interesting questions on the MMRCA…

An upgrade for 1$ would be possible but wouldn't bring much: look at the content and not only the price tag!

Jithen
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Jithen
5 years 4 days ago
Contrary to popular perceptions that French equipment will have unrestricted use in times of conflict. A little unknown fact which majority of Indians don't know is that in Kargil conflict dassault point blank refused to provide IAF with source codes for allowing the IAF mirage 2000s to fire laser guided pgm. It was then with the assistance of the Israelis that TACDE was able to break through the French proprietary software and enable the mirage to commence devastating laser guided pgm attacks in Kargil. When dassault found out about what the IAF had done they point blankedly refused to support… Read more »
VJ
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VJ
5 years 4 days ago

Mr. Shiv, why dont u like to comment on what youve blogged?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago
After Russia and USA, France is the leads in nuke tech. We can replace 51 Mirage 2000 with Rafale provided France is willing to sell Rafale for 60 million $ in exchange of 51 Mirage 2000. we must also tie this order to French assistance in designing and building nuke subs, nuke AC super-carrier, cryogenic engines etc. If we are getting such a deal then it makes sense to replace our current fleet of Mirage 2000 with Rafales. Spending 50 million $ for upgrading 30 yrs old jet when we can get a brand new jet is not only plain… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 4 days ago
Anon at 6:29 PM I disagree. TOT is not going to make us high-tech. We have had TOT with Russia/USSR for a very long time, where are we now? We are talking about importing basic trainer and struggling to build our first jet engine. I think we have come a long way, but TOT is not what got us here. Only way to gain more tech is by working hard on home-grown projects like the LCA, the AMCA, the ALH, etc. Sure we have imported parts in them, but we are trying on the side to get an engine for… Read more »
Prasun K. Sengupta
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5 years 4 days ago
Laughable answers indeed from the French Defence Minister! So MESMA AIP modules now being retrofitted on to the three Agosta 90B SSKs is not ‘heavy’. SUBTICS combat management systems being installed on the two Agosta 70 SSKs is not ‘heavy’. Licenced-production by POF of Nexter Systems’ 155mm cargo rounds is not ‘heavy’. The AASM PGMs and Damocles LDPs meant for the upgraded Mirage III/Vs are not ‘heavy’. Wonder what the French definition of ‘heavy’ really is. To Paul@6.41PM: What’s wrong with the MiG-27Ms? All that needs to be done is re-engine them with NPO Saturn-built AL-31F turbofans and retrofit them… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 days ago
@Anon 9.13 PM I find your post un-true. I have heard from IAF technicians who actually prepared the M2K for Kargil operations about what they did to the M2K to fire PGM. What the IAF actually did was retrofit the French M2K with Paveway PGM and used some desi jugaad to wire the M2K to use the Paveway PGM instead of the Matra LGB's they could carry. At no point did this involve use of "source codes". By the way-source codes need to be changed for specific missions. Do not want to give a lecture here-but the bottomline is the… Read more »
the terminator
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the terminator
5 years 3 days ago
If Jithen wrote about the French is TRUE, then the MOD and all those clamouring for the Rafale should think twice before signing the MMRCA S&P agreement. They should also make it foolproof unlike the Ghorskov aircraft carrier fiasco where the Ruskies were able to arm twist and make billions from us. Even then the aircraft carrier is nowhere near completion and induction into the IN. The amount of money demanded by the French to refurbish the mirage aircrafts are too exorbitant and it only shows that the French would not hesitate to squeeze us dry when they find it… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 days ago

From what I read in news details the missiles weapons are not included in the price tag. It is separate. What a rip off

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 days ago

Jithen's story is BS.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 days ago

Time for an Indian-British-French Defense Treaty; another for a USA-Indian treaty; and another for a NATO-India treaty.

India should send troops at cost to all trouble spots in the world. of course, Britain, France, and USA need to pay for the soldiers and armament. Time for a new world order!

Jithen
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Jithen
5 years 3 days ago
To those who think my story is bs. Just do some reading of open source literature on mirage 2000 Kargil and Israel. This story can be confirmed by a senior retired airmarshal who served during Kargil. Mr shiv aroor will be in the know of who this air marshal is. Airforces Monthly carried a story on Kargil return by senior PAF officer Kaiser Tufail who also confirms that israelis helped IAF modify the m2k to carry out these laser guided pgm strikes in Kargil. If according to all the face less characters posting here and prasun sen Gupta the m2k… Read more »
Paul
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5 years 3 days ago

To Prasun K. Sengupta@12:04AM: I all happy about Mig27ML's, but for how long another 12-15 years. MMRCA took such a long time to even just to select contenders for commercial bid. I would like to know what are the plans with IAF to promptly replace its aging strike aircrafts?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 days ago

Bania ho just keep on counting money

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 days ago
We can all talk about buying the "best-in-class" fighters, but I feel that we did not make the right choice in selecting the final two. Both finalists are expensive, unproven aircrafts. Bombing Libya will be completely different from fighting a war with Pakistan or China. We should have gone with F-16, especially when LM was ready to shift the production line to India. Gripen was also a good fighter. Many say that it would have killed the Tejas, but then Tejas is our home grown fighter, would have filled in the numbers. F-16 or Gripen would have been more for… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 2 days ago
India IAF purchased 49 Mirage 2000s, including 42 single-seaters and 7 two-seaters in the 1980s. In 2004, the Indian government approved purchase of ten more Mirage 2000Hs, featuring improved avionics, particularly an upgraded RDM 7 radar. The IAF named the Mirage the "Vajra", loosely translated as "Thunderbolt". India also purchased appropriate stores along with the fighters, including ATLIS II pods and laser-guided weapons. A contract was signed in 2010 to upgrade all IAF Mirage 2000Hs to the Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2 spec.[citation needed] India has assigned the nuclear strike role to its Mirage 2000 squadrons in service with the Indian… Read more »
Mr. Ra
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Mr. Ra
5 years 2 days ago

Indians might have been of the opinion that the Israeli Laser attachments are better but French would have felt it otherwise due to obvious business reasons.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 9 months ago

Its pitiable that one of the worlds largest military deal is represented by some one who lacks basic business etiquette and sense of dressing.At least in todays age, these guys are not as great as gandhiji, why are they trying to be ?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago
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