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34 Comments on "Week Before Final Indian Fighter Draw, Gripen Makes 2nd Price Pitch"

Tordenskiold
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4 years 7 months ago

It's called "desperation" and "we have nothing to loose" – If Gripen does not sell in India or Brazil, it is curtains for Saab's fighter production

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

If India did not have a program like Tejas, there was sense in considering the Gripen. However, it will be unpatriotic to consider the Gripen once the roadmap for the Tejas has been finalised. There will however be people who will try and nullify the hard won capabilities of domestic bodies – like an ex-IAF expert who called Gripen a 'medium' aircraft.

Merritt
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4 years 7 months ago

Dudes its kinda obvious that the winner of this competition is going to be the only fighter maker left in Europe!!!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

To Gripen: For use as a light combat fighter, we do have our own Tejas. We don't need another fighter in it's category. So bye bye. oops, bye from India but get ready to face the Tejas in competition worldwide.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

But as per vigilance guidelines,once if a vendor is eliminated on valid grounds,its all over for the vendor!!! Amen!! gripen !!!RIP !!!gripen radar is nineties vintage !!!

captainjohann
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4 years 7 months ago

To me "dal may Kala" laktha hai. Grippen is fighting for may be indirectly Tejas burial with covert Import lobby supporting it. NOT for MMRCA

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

Perhaps they should have thought long and hard before selling SAAB Erieye to PAF ;).

Mr. Ra
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Mr. Ra
4 years 7 months ago

Gripen is beautiful, but it has been eliminated and Tejas-2 is coming and public do not purchase multirole fighter jets in India, so many things.

The lower initial and running costs of Gripen were never in doubt earlier also, but must have been superseded by better concerns. So now it may be impossible for Gripen to return on this turf.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

ridiculous, Saab lives in a fantasy world…

Maximus
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Maximus
4 years 7 months ago
Actually, I think this is an old ad. Has appeared in the India Today and Vayu a bunch of times. In fact, has been there for over a year, if my memory serves me right. So, there is nothing new on this. But that still begs the question as to why Gripen is 'still' at it in the Indian market. I think a couple of things are clear: The Tejas is dead as a dodo as an option for covering the 19 squadron gap that the MiG-21s will leave behind what with the 'postponement' by a year and the LCA… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

Old ad. What's the big deal here? Plus, there is always that cost thing on MMRCA, no? How long is the IAF MoD going to swagger around claiming 'we got the money' to buy any darn thing… either you cut back on the Sukhois or the MMRCA numbers or junk the LCA Mk-I and head straight for Mk-II.

George Visan
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4 years 7 months ago
I am afraid that Gripen has been the choice of the media, the uninformed public and small powers. Every time there is a bidding process for a fighter program, the story is the same: PR guys from Saab come and try to reduce everything to cost per flying hour or per life cycle, as if these are the only variables involved in assessing the performance of a fighter aircraft. When you start to compare specs, you realize that the Gripen is either the weakest fighter produced in Europe or at best an F-16 replacement, but with a smaller range and… Read more »
Hari Sadu
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Hari Sadu
4 years 7 months ago

Cant read the copy too clearly. But there is a point on cost and life cycle cost the way oil is going… by the way what's with all these European names commenting on your posts? Since Rafale doesnt talk, is it the BAE EADS lot sitting guarding their turf?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

You know whats strange about the whole thing: the comments! They hardly seem to be written by passing readers. I guess if companies are still fighting it out through ads and comments on livefist, the MMRCA is far from over, isnt it. But not exactly very sure what is keeping the Gripen and the others interested and the shortlisted lot so panicky that they have to keep posting on something that shouldnt really have done more than raise a few eyebrows and a little 'WTF?'

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

Shiv, how come you missed featuring the Chinese fighter exploding in midair during an airshow a couple of days back? Killed a pilot too. It's been co-developed by Pakistan.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

Hi Shiv, kindly feature the China airshow crash of the JH-7 that exploded in mid-air a few days ago. Must have been spectacular!

Hari Sadu
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Hari Sadu
4 years 7 months ago

lmao… and now you have a Romanian writing in impeccable English! Love Livefist for the sheer number of company hacks that spend time fighting each other on the comments.. seriously, old ad, so what's the angst?.. and very interested in the China fighter.. I think there is a couple of vids up.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

Show the Gripen door again.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago
Dear Saab, I am a great fan of the Gripen, but I must come in here to enlighten you about a few things. Respectfully, there is no way on earth that the Indian government will order the Gripen, for the following reasons: i) The Gripen was found technically uncompliant, and therefore if the govt were to choose it would be admitting that they dont mind inducting an aircraft which was found to be technically uncompliant. It just would not go down. ii) Two, by choosing the two heavy Euro canards, the IAF has indicated its preference for twin engine and… Read more »
George Visan
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4 years 7 months ago

@Hari Sadu

There are quite a lot of Romanians able to write in impeccable English. I am no company hack, I am just someone who's passionate about aviation and concerned about the future of Romanian military aviation. Romania is still using vintage MiG-21s (although updated) as its mainstay fighter.

@Shiv

I have been following the MMRCA competition closely and I would like to know what was actually non-compliant with the Gripen IN (other than being basically a paper air plane)? I know something about the Raven radar being found non-compliant with the Indian tender.

Mr. Ra
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Mr. Ra
4 years 7 months ago

On 14 October 2011, a JH-7A crashed during an exhibition at an air show in central China, outside the city of Xi'an. One pilot was killed and one injured in this accident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PNQ8Ovp6NA

Shashank H R
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4 years 7 months ago
We actually need an aircraft for home defence possessing low operating costs,always being ready for a scramble. Even if we go for the Typhoon or the Rafale, which are,of course,having higher payload capacity and higher range,a lighter aircraft would be definitely required to increase flexibility in operations(eg.- for Close air support role). This light aircraft would either be the LCA or the Gripen. The LCA project has always been quite uncertain although it is making us self-reliant. As of now, the LCA cannot definitely survive in a battle because of its poor manoeuvrability click here. We have to wait for… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

may be mocking at our honchos decision making capacity!!!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

Saab want to play the public opinion against MMRCA, that's what they did in Brazil.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

I agree with the comments of Shashank H R about Tejas maneuverability.

Tejas Mk1 lighter than Gripen and still less maneuverable, How some DRDO says that Tejas is very agile aircraft.

DELTA
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DELTA
4 years 7 months ago

And the fact that companies were asked to stay put until the final selection, any justification for that?

parvas24
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4 years 7 months ago

Gripen has a fair chance to make it till the end…. the final decision is not yet made…. both EFtyphoon and Rafale are expensive to buy and maintain… not to mention the spares dilemma during wartime…

Gripen can be cheaper and effective for homeland defence … can take off from small roads too…

I think the Gripen is very close to the Mirage 2000 in terms of size and capabilites or even better…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

Yeah Gripen has one clear benefit that it has more of a strike element which can be utilized against Pukistan sponsored terrorist camps. Though I equally love Typhoon too. Anything other than Gripen, F-16. Mig-35 is WIN-WIN.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

It's an interesting choice to select the F-16 over the Gripen despite Gripens NG:s greater combat radius, lower wing load and ability to supercruise.

I am sure your an important policy maker in Romania…

Patrick
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Patrick
4 years 7 months ago
@George VisanYou claim you're "just someone who's passionate about aviation and concerned about the future of Romanian military aviation", yet you use arguments as if you were a computer-playing teen. And if you really were concerned about the Romanian military aviation, you should really hope that the Gripen is your next choice. Seeing as the F-16 is almost 40% more expensive to maintain, almost two decades older, has poorer maneuverability and lacks many "small state features", it would be a catastrophical choice for Romania. Just take the Czech air force for an example. They've had absolutely fantastic results using the… Read more »
George Visan
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4 years 7 months ago
@Patrick1. Again the issue of cost and cost-effectiveness. Around 260 Gripens have been built while 4200+ F-16s have exited the production facilities of Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics. Of 260 Gripens built around 170 are operational after almost 15 years of service with 4 air forces. Out of 4200 F-16s built and delivered 3000 are still operational after 30-35 of service. It is hard for me to accept that Gripen is far cheaper to operate than the F-16 given the fact Saab does not benefit from the effects of economies of scale. Is like saying that Rolls Royce is more… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 7 months ago

I agree economics of scale is important. That is why Scania possibly couldn't produce cost efficient trucks like major MAN which is a far larger truck maker…

Oddly enough, they do manage to achieve this by cost efficient production lines :P.

Karl-benny johansson
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1 year 7 months ago

But from the same country Volvo
is the largest large truck manufacturer

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