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39 Comments on "Brawl Could Wind Up Indian Army Artillery Unit"

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4 years 14 days ago

clearly its the work of the government to malign the image of gen.vk singh. govt. is trying to upset general in every possible way as his retirement day is nearing.

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Al Yacoub
4 years 14 days ago

Better to tie these so called ruffians to the mouth of the 105mm barrel and fire the shell..

Anonymous
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4 years 14 days ago
This is a classic case of how we go off on a tangent. Sahyaks CSD etc to describe a pure case of Comd failure. The causes of ths comd failure are deep rooted and mainly due to bad cadre management thanks to MoD Babu interference, a weak kneed RM and our impotent Generals who have ensured that Army Offrs are Dalits in the Govt of India. Dont expect classy behaviour from people you treat like pariahs. Soon the pariahs will bite if not given their rightful dues. NOW wait for next weeks issues of India Today and such like Porn… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 14 days ago

As they say you can only command respect and you cannot demand it.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

And we trust people like these to protect us from China and Pak. The news is out the unit is disbanded hope this does not spread to the reset of the forces

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

And we trust people like these to protect us from China and Pak. The news is out the unit is disbanded hope this does not spread to the reset of the forces

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

And we trust people like these to protect us from China and Pak. The news is out the unit is disbanded hope this does not spread to the reset of the forces

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

And we trust people like these to protect us from China and Pak. The news is out the unit is disbanded hope this does not spread to the reset of the forces

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

Army knows how to do their job. Let us leave it at that….

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

Shiv has been a defence journalist for long enough to know that Medium Artillery Regiments do not hold 105mm guns any longer.

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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

Somewhere, there seems to be a common connect if you compare this incident with another,at Bangalore international aviation show, where the Americans left in a hurry without waiting for the ceremony to officially close down, as there seemed to be a collapse of internationally followed ethos…Families picnicking under displayed aircraft crossing barricades,where no civilians are allowed…Here, Army officers/majors wives at a firing practice range…clearly the armed forces seem cutoff socially from the existing India…and then these incidents highlight how they are trying to survive in their own world.

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4 years 13 days ago
Its easy for people to question the army's competence without understanding their stressful work conditions. Usually the biggest issue of contention is solder's leave. Everybody needs it but usually the unit is already stretched for manpower. Often the CO has to restrain people from taking leave and even cancel sanctioned leave. People need to be kept deployed in dangerous situations because replacements are rarely available on time. Officers taking such decisions often have to deal with flared tempers. The fact that everyone has access to weapons makes every argument a potential deadly flash point. Incidents like these do happen every… Read more »
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4 years 13 days ago

I know this may be the wrong place to post. However, here goes…

Ms. Vandana Agarwal transferred out of the Cabinet Secretariat after serving for a very short period (Feb '12 to Apr '12). For leaking Gen. V K Singh's letter?

http://moef.nic.in/downloads/public-information/om-02052012-d.pdf

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4 years 13 days ago

@Anon 9.13 PM

Mate today everybody works under stressful conditions. Dangerous situations are only during war or if you have been posted where there is insurgency which btw happens to be confined to few regions of the country. Hence excuses put forward by you does not holds good. Fact is the quality of our armed forces have come down. It's high time for a major overhaul of the entire system.

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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

boy oh boy..

are you moderating the comments or censoring..
make up your mind..

a blog will never take-off like this..

where is my comment on the generalship and pleasure-travel ?

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4 years 13 days ago
For anyone who knows and has been in the army, it is not the haloed as it is thought to be. Like any other has it has its more than fair share of problems. It is only now that things are coming out. Only the bearer knows where the shoe pinches. Just as you have poor politicians and parliamentarians, so have you very poor army officers who have no business of being there. In an operational environment, half of these so called officer cadre would get shot and a good portion of the rest possible freeze when the first shot… Read more »
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4 years 13 days ago

The military like our society has been under stress due to changing of values. This incident has been in the public glare but such incidents are not rare. But hoe to prevent them is the key question.
Military must have a bigger say in all strategic and ops issues and bureaucracy must not interfere. Better pay parity for Military and better service conditions for Jawans and officer selection must be very strict. Treat our soldier with respect and you can gain peace in the borders. Disbanding this unit and punishing the guilty in this matter is paramount.

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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago

Officers treating their jawans as whipping boys should remember that this is 2012 not 1912 !

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 13 days ago
"Dangerous situations are only during war": clearly, someone who has never been associated with any sort of uniformed life in any capacity whatever. The stressful situation that the average office going public is far, far removed from the stress levels of everyday life in the services. Ever had to take responsibility not just for someone's paycheck but for someone's life? Try ordering your office chaprasi that you expect him to report to work at 4:00 AM and stay alert for 18 hours at a time. Chances are that the guy will be looking to change bosses very soon. Personnel management… Read more »
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rustom
4 years 13 days ago

In the armed forces The officer's wives also had a role to play. For most to behave like an officer's wife and not like a power crazed demanding respect from the jawans types. Hopefully the powers that have taken the higher offices of the army will not make scape goats out of the jawans
Field Marshall Maneckshaw had once commented that he wants his officer's wives to behave like one and not that like an 'aayah' who has gained some mileage due to her husband's uniform. So true

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CivilPowers
4 years 13 days ago
What can be said of Jawans & Majors, when the Army Chief is himself in brawl with Govt, over age issue. Likewise several generals (serving & retd) are in brawls over kickbacks, money laundering, and scams. One cannot expect to petty majors to behave in high esteem and have high ethos. Since 1962 debacle, the Govt of India have given free run to army to run their institution.Still these idiot blokes generals goes on looking down the civilians and authorities, just to uncontrollably monger more money. Only such things can be controlled by active involvement of Civilian power, and appropriate… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 12 days ago
@Anon 7.48 AM from your comment it seems you are the one who has never been associated with "uniformed life". Even a doorman or chaprasi also wears uniform…. wearing a uniform means nothing…but the man behind that uniform and his intentions does.Try travelling in a Mumbai local for 4 hours or meet sales targets in a down market and you will know what stress really means. What "stress" do our men in armed forces undergo in well laid out cantonments and garrisons where their major preoccupation is with golf or free hooch and ribald jokes in the defense clubs? Stay… Read more »
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4 years 12 days ago
Anon @ 5:53 PM Though your words are caustic.. they are true. fauji life is all bout parties, free hooch and ribald jokes and enjoyment at govt expense. but the imp point is, Army is Oligarchic : rule by select few. the select few are senior ranks.. and not " majors and lt cols " ….these ranks are the workhorses and they hve to really slog it out.. maybe in the hope of promotion or chance to enjoy the freebeis in future or potential of corruption..or plain carrier progression.. The careerist mindset is breeding worst form of servile and obsequious… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 12 days ago

Right, let's put our heroes who know so much about services life in the frontline. Preferably in a bunker on the frontline, Siachen for starters, with pithoo parade every morning. Probably they would go crawling back to mama, mewling like kittens. Actually, the poor stiffs who commute 4 hrs a day in suburban second class would fare better in the services than the petulant dukhiyas bellyaching from their airconditioned cars about how life in the forces is all mazaa and no sazaa.

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4 years 12 days ago
@Anon 9.49 PM This incident happened in front of several officers and soldiers at the front in icy conditions of ladakh during an artillery firing exercise. I don't understand how and where under such circumstances, was our Memsahib taking a "bath" and the need of our Brahmin Major (Sharmaji) to "defend" the honor of his wife whose "modesty" had been compromised by a "Bangali Barber's" peekaboo which in turn led to a free for all and a Marathi Lt Col getting bashed up by the same Brahmin Major and his cohorts???? Man your story is so stupid it defies belief.… Read more »
Rohan
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4 years 12 days ago

Shameful!…for so many Major rank and above officers to engage in such behavior is deplorable and shows the world the elitist mentality our armed forces operate under. Why no lieutenant or Captains involved? Because they at least are on the ground and working day to day with the enlisted personnel so their heads are still firmly on the ground and not flying in the air like their senior tent and desk jockey commanders….sack the lot and be done with it. Leave the enlisted men alone…none of this is their fault and those poor souls have everything to lose.

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4 years 11 days ago
@ Praetorian I think when your mother is Peeka-boo'ed and then rammed by a Porki Pathan… u will get the answer for the Brahmin Major's honour. Asshole, where does religion or talking trash bout a lady come in? If you are so fond of sleaze, post some pics of your incest-filled mind. coming back to the point, the real story is different, it will come sooner or later… just bcoz a reporter posted a story, it mustnt be true ( atleast 100% ) till that time, control your vulgar thoughts and release then in the confines of your family (only… Read more »
Pandu
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Pandu
4 years 11 days ago

Disband and close the AWWA too !

Praetorian
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Praetorian
4 years 11 days ago

@Anon 6.39 PM

All your volley of abuses still doesn't answers where was your memsahib doin a "Ram Teri Ganga Maili" a la Mandakini to be precise? On the firing range in front of Majors, Sepoys and Sahayaks while all the guns were booming or in the bathroom which happened to be so large that could accommodate entire artillery regiment and the brawl that ensued?

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4 years 11 days ago
@Anon 8.44 AM Right, let's swap roles. I will live in a "bunker" in the front, wearing imported winter clothes, relishing on instant heating chicken tikkas and chocolates doin' desh ki suraksha and "sacrificing my youth" whereas you travel daily at least for 4 hours packed like sardines in Mumbai's malodorous Borivali Superfast local and your lunch, dinner and breakfast will be one single misal pav or vada pav washed down with "Energy milk" from Aarey's dudhalaya.Weekends you may get a bottle of maaza for all the saaza. 90% of your salary will be "variable" which will be given in… Read more »
Anonymous
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4 years 11 days ago

Man…

where is the option of "LIKE" here..
Facebook has spoiled Us 😛

Prateroien ki toh le lei…

btw, prateroian, i support the sorting out of bad and corrupt elements in fauj.. but your language is filth.. dont use it.

u can say,,,, what you want to say…in less "extreme" words .

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4 years 11 days ago
Dear "relishing on instant heating chicken tikkas and chocolates doin' desh ki suraksha" hero. First, please try getting selected for the forces. They won't pick just anyone. Second, the reason someone is eating "instant heating chicken tikkas" [could someone please serve this person a sample of what he thinks is such fine cuisine so that he actually has some idea of what he is talking about?] on the frontier is so that people like you get to make choices in life. Soldiers are leading a "luxurious" life wearing "imported winter clothing" at 18,000 feet in all seasons so that clueless… Read more »
Anonymous
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4 years 11 days ago

Anon 8.49 PM

Hai Rabba, another bhakt of "Sharmaji".

Anonymous
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4 years 11 days ago

is travelling in local trains is that tideous job…….lmao!!!!
Bhai, kaha se aaya hai tu.
Then a rickshaw puller leads a more stressfull life than you man.
90% of salary in variables…..leave that job, they are fooling you.TU ek exam de aur sub inspector k naukri kar k dekh

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 11 days ago

mera post kahaan gaya ??

pretorian ke le jo raha tha ?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 11 days ago

Seriously Man…

Comparing Army offr to Borivali wala 90% Variable job is like comparing Mrs G with Rakhi sawant 😛

jaare achee walee maarna, and yes.. rickshaw wala ( auto ) earn 1200/- rs per day…

dnt believe me, check yesterdays TOI.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 10 days ago

Modrator :

kar diya na kida..
if u maderate the comments.. ur blog is dead.. no hits 🙁

not far too many takers for ur falcon n naval warship imports…

if u allow one person to comment @ protrian, then allow everybody..

mod maaat kaar yaar :X

Anonymous
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4 years 22 hours ago

dekh lo kida…

this topic has dies due to undue modearting by ownerjee..

ghee mei gobar 🙁

Anonymous
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3 years 8 months ago

the officers use the soldiers as " mundoos" when in peace staitons.. the govt vehicles r miused by officers families.. u can c the mundoos taking a dog or the babies for stroll.. when in front areas these officer are a fraifd of the mundoos..

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