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30 Comments on "R.I.P. HAL’s Basic Trainer"

straight_curve
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4 years 26 days ago

I find it very funny that HAL in spite of knowing the price of Pilatus PC-7 quoted twice for HTT-40. Thanks God it would have been even more funny if MoD would have accepted the proposal!!! Bravo…MoD!!!

straight_curve
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4 years 26 days ago

I find it very funny that HAL in spite of knowing the price of Pilatus aircraft quoted twice for HTT-40. Thanks God, it would have been even more funny had MoD accepted this proposal. Bravo MoD!!!

Varun
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Varun
4 years 26 days ago
I am all for indigenous development but I am glad MoD has scrapped this HAL project taking in consideration how HAL pretty much has complete monopoly over Indian aircraft industry and are always woefully behind schedule. Tejas for example..is what, like 10 years behind schedule and still hasn't received operational clearance from the IAF, and might take another 2-3 years and thousands of crores of tax payers money before we see a squadron. The fact that it is public money and none to very little accountability makes it one of the worst functioning billion dollar company in India. It can… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 26 days ago

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Dear HAL:

When are you and your nephews are dying?

Regards,

– Anon

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 26 days ago

Till now haven't yet understood what is the role of HAL in our country.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 26 days ago

very soon another headlines will be –
RIP Rafale, FGFA

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 26 days ago

HAL SHOULD ALSO BE GIVEN TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 26 days ago
Buy the way govt. always do what they do keep India a consumer. Why we never hope to be a supplier? Govt. really never tries to sell Indian product. Just browse the Defense PSU sites looks like junk. Few Dhruvs have been sold because others wants it. At the price tag of Tejas mk1 no fighter is capable like it. If you know a little bit of production you will know price is always high for low production rate. HTT-40 price includes development cost + prototype cost + trial cost etc. You had to loose to gain. Give money at… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 26 days ago

Nothing funny at all if you include the R&D into the place. When HTT-40 is mass production, the unit cost will be down a big notch. Too bad HAL drops the program; HAL should continue on it like on Tejas, which will be successful anyway, albeit little late. There are many markets in the world need this trainer.

Rahul(Kolkata)
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Rahul(Kolkata)
4 years 26 days ago

Shiv, what do you mean by those non-existent entities like "prestige", "reputation" etc etc when it comes to HAL???? "Money" is also non-existent because it is a PSO with "naukri" secure till 58 with lifelong pension…

DISMANTLE HAL. PERIOD…..

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 25 days ago

MoD found out… as usual HAL… designed the 40 with… stolen half designs… so suring flight… if there sre some issues… HAL doesn't know… why its happening… like ijt… they can only scratch their heads… the other alf they don't have…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 25 days ago

HAL offers monopolistic price and hegemonic time lines for a captive Harmed Forces…..

Dadagiri….

hotgene
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4 years 25 days ago

If they keep on developing things in this pace, then more projects will be R.I.P…. Wake up HAL…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 25 days ago

HAL must be fully privatised, with just one or two divisions engaged in overhaul to be handed over to the air force. Bunch of jokers who cannot even design and build a single turbine blade same or better than any of their collaborators.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 25 days ago
Its unfair to criticize HAL for all the ills in our defence industry. DRDO's GTRE totally failed to deliver a single working engine even after 30 years of its existence.one day a report appears Kaveri his and that ,but another a day report appears kaveri can only be fitted in railway engines and warships!!!HAL has been thrust with obsolete Russian technology,including the so called uptodate fighter su-30mki. Dassault is questioning MoD to define the role of HAL in MMRCA!!! Dassault doesn't want HAL to absorbits composite technologies,EW suite ,AESA RADAR, ENGINE and other advanced avionics,which HAL can apply to its… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 25 days ago

i know a person who worked in HAL and then resigned and teaching engineering students, i asked "why you throw that prestigeos job and doing silly things here?",
And he replied "work culture in HAL does not suit me, i will be better satisfied teaching interested students…", just remember he worked in USA in some opto electric compony and came to India for HAL…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 25 days ago

i know a person who worked in HAL and then resigned and teaching engineering students, i asked "why you throw that prestigeos job and doing silly things here?",
And he replied "work culture in HAL does not suit me, i will be better satisfied teaching interested students…", just remember he worked in USA in some opto electric compony and came to India for HAL…

avinash
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avinash
4 years 25 days ago

Clearly we lack capabilities to accurately predict the cost. Its across all fields and just not in aerospace.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 24 days ago
Designing a basic trainer is not a great technology . It reminds me of P-51 mustang which was designed in 19 months and tested and finally decided to change the engine to spitfire Merlin engine and a world beater was born.This could have been designed at least 10 years back.Needless to say HAL was not designing the engine and crucial parts which were to be fitted from abroad. HAL has poor reputation in selecting the engine as they chose a poor engine for IJT , where larzac engine was underpowered and AL 55 is experimental unreliable engine.Again wrong engine was… Read more »
P.K.Chaudhuri
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4 years 24 days ago
It is a crime against indian society by the government to scrap such indigenous R&D projects. We have earlier made a historical blunder to retire the HF24 Marut aircraft. India must learn from its bad experience of the imported AJT Hawk trainers. The corrupt politicians are not allowing the developmnent of indigenous weapon system only to be able to procure imported equipment and obtain political donations.We should immedaitely manufacture a few trainer version of LCA to expedite its induction in IAF. We sould start manufacturing marine Kaveri engines and put them for active service so that it can be further… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 24 days ago

Scrap Rafale and fasttrack Tejas Mk3. 5 billion will go into madams kitty

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 24 days ago

When u start from scratch there is bound to be delay. Poach engineers from abroad. Show sense of urgency. The Chinks will whip our asses if they can. Hurry up….stop blame game and start working….and for GODs sake stop thieving.

sents
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4 years 23 days ago

No need buy HTT-40, but don't stop funding for the research. We cannot always depend on foreign vendors.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 20 days ago

HAL builds the Garrat TP-331 under licence. Why doesnt it use it for HTT-40?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 20 days ago

Reservations are the reason why HAL and other PSUs have become so useless. When merit is not worshipped, it flies away. Indian brains are productive in NASA, Lucent Labs, GE etc but attract cow-webs in India. No-one introspects, on-one changes the status quo, everyone is happy till jolted as in 1962,65, Kargils, Mumbais Hyderabads etc. Then we accept the shit and go back to sleep. Swiss bank accounts get fatter with imports and thats why no-one gives bamboo to PSUs or asks PSU Heads to account for shortfalls. PSU Heads should be forced to commit Harakiri if they fail.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 20 days ago

I also fail to understand why HAL did not develop the Gnat into the HJT when they had the drawings and the experience of having built nearly 200 of them. The Gnat is a little more advanced than HJT-36 and a little less than the Hawk-32. India would have killed two birds with one stone.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 19 days ago
Well….Strange at the way every intelligent being here commments on the HTT 40…..first thing first..the price offered was 34.9 crores…and the way IAF inflated it was by multiplying it with an escalation factor of 10% plus each year..Now about the import content…well its 31 crores paid direct to swiss account and if you divide the total contract cost with the 75 units one gets a price of 40 crores approx..The Maintenance contract is not in place and wonder which ghost is gonna pay for it..For an aerospace product life cycle cost is up to 18-20 times the per unit cost..thats… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 19 days ago
Exactly….it is very very surprising that someone has declared the HAL bid as twice the cost of the pilatuswalas. What is even more surprising is that HAL has not countered the claim. HAL is an inefficient Pissu. You will find 80% of the workforce coming real late, gossiping, munching their panmasala, puffing their bidis, doing unionbazi and then leaving sharp at 5PM as if heavens are going to fall down if they dont kiss the feet of their bibis at 5.01PM. Untill labour laws are changed and unions abolished no PSUs can work. Administrators are afraid to confront sloppy workers… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 19 days ago

HAL needs autonomy. Look at what Brazil did to its aviation company Embraer.

Rajee
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Rajee
4 years 11 days ago

I have a question to all the authors of above comments. WHY INDIA COULD NOT PRODUCE A CAR LIKE HONDA CITY OR BMW ETC, Is it the incompetence of Indian automobile industry . The answer is no. But it is due to the fact that Indian mentality never allowed to grow domestic development. Very often we talk about Chinese success, it is only due to one mantra .. indigenous….indigenous

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