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  1. 1

    Anonymous

    even huge ships like mistral… has bulbous bow… to reduce drag… GSL is still… in prehistoric jurassic design mode…

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  2. 2

    Anonymous

    look at those rivet lines !! shoddy construction sheet metal work… You can only imagine inside.. all at tax payers expense!!

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    Anonymous

    Cannot disagree with the 1st comment. What is called hitech, etc in IN or Indian defence circles are arcane and inefficient older technology.
    Where is the air defence/surveillance radar? Why do we need 105 crew, most international warships of similar size have only 60-70 crew. Do we really need a helicopter, that cannot perform any naval purpose other than liaison.
    This ship is overweight by 500 tonnes, overcrowded by 40, and the list can go on.
    These designers/builders probably still drive their trusted/rugged Ambassador cars.

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  4. 4

    Anonymous

    @Anon 2:51,
    Only an ignoramus can talk of bulbous bows and 2000 tonne ship together!

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    su market

    I know. Most of the morons have no clue or basic engineering knowledge but would like to pass of comments. Comparing a 20k tonne ship to a 2000 tonne ship is something only a double digit IQ moron can do.

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    Anonymous

    RIGHTY SAID SU MARKET

    story of democracy . People all the time in the world to crib, crib and crib , but when push comes to shove , blame games begins .

    They think gov are nannies and they are the rulers .

    Not only most of them can't read a map, but they will end lost in their own cities .

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  7. 7

    Ashmann

    My gripes with this ship. Note that the comments @8:39 PM are my own.

    (1) Do smaller ships have bulbous bows? Yes they freckin' do.
    (2) What do you expect from a state-of-art OPV? – small crew, high tech, fuel efficient.
    (3) What is this new Indian OPV? piece of shit, peons for every crew member, 386 CPU technology, old surveillance technology.
    (4) The real morons – Anonymous @2:51 & Su Market.
    (5) Examples of OPV
    (a) Fincantieri – SAR for Turkey.
    http://www.fincantieri.it/CMS/Data/prodotti/000021.aspx?cms640909ff=34774a73d93d41cdbaa2f119216de580&menu_key=e97ba3f1&CMSKEY_categoria=VESSEL&CMSKEY_tipo=OPV&CMSKEY_armatore=&CMSKEY_anno=&CMSKEY_sottotitolo=
    1700 tonnes, 72 crew
    (b) Vosper Thornycraft – River Class.
    http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/river_class/
    1677 tonnes, 28 crew
    (c) Israeli -Saar 5 corvette
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%27ar_5-class_corvette
    1200 tonnes, 64 crew

    And the list can go on.
    This OPV is 2300 tonnes, very heay for a OPV. 105 of crew is too much – do they have a chai walla, paan walla on board? 105 crew members will retire and the governmnet will have to pay for the their pension, etc. With on air surveillance radar, the ship cannot function beyond shipward defence. The weapons cannot be slaved to defend against SSM's and aircrafts of any kind. The AKM-630's are not stabilized, so good luck shooting. The bridge does not have 360-deg visual lookout. To even monitor the RIB launch & recover, the bridge personal will have to leave their all-weather enclosure and stick-it-out with walkie-talkies. Neither can the helicopter operations be supervised from the bridge, ignore the fact that there doesn't seem to be any facilities at the rear of the ship.

    India needs more than 24 of ships in this category, having an inefficient, bloated crew, will only mean disaster in the future.

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  8. 8

    xxi

    @ 10.45 reckon they every heard of dunning-kruger syndrome ???

    The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when incompetent people not only fail to realise their incompetence, but consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. Basically, they're too stupid to know that they're stupid.

    Bertrand Russell in The Triumph of Stupidity in the mid 1930s said that "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt." Even earlier, Charles Darwin, in The Descent of Man in 1871, stated "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge".

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    Anonymous

    @ Anon 10:30 & su market

    That's not entirely accurate. Trawlers – of variable size/weight – off the cost of Alaska, Russia, NZ use bulbous bows of variable size. You'll even see yachts use them, these days. The point is the bulbous bow, in the case of the NOPV, is perhaps redundant given the maritime climate/topography of the Indian Ocean littoral.

    That said, the design is probably overweight and over-populated.

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    Anonymous

    @10:30 PM… @10:45 PM…
    don't have… confidence… knowledge… to provide for the tech needed… for even 2k tonne ship… that's cold feet… of unknown… it can be overcome by… knowledge… or continue… living with copying…

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    Anonymous

    @Anon 8:49,best you first acquaint yourself with what is the difference between a patrol vessel, a corvette frigate,destroyer and other classes of ships.You may also like to know why ships are designed for specific roles.

    Check up what weapons the OPV is carrying,the 76 mm SRGM and AK 630 which have their own associated Fire control systems for their designated roles or surface and air -defence.

    Apart from that one can see the basic navigational radar and EW,comm receiver clearly.
    That is to those who know what they are looking at.

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    Anonymous

    small corvetts has more weapns packg than the sayu but why this 2200 ton bucket only has 2 guns

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  13. 14

    Anonymous

    endurance 2 months… if it is 3 months… it's make a huge difference… this can be achived by… sheer efficency… provided by technology… or India can be another USSR… or another Tyrannosaurus rex…

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    Anonymous

    Bulbous bows are less beneficial in smaller craft and may actually be detrimental to their performance and economy
    read wiki atleast before commenting guys! the ship is also not very fast one! It has been built for range rather than speed!

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    Anonymous

    @xxi …. completely agree with you!!!

    @ Ashman .. Pal…. just comparing A to A , B to B, of various ships by just comparing their tonnage???? … what u are doing, is like, comparing two cars – Maruti Alto 800 and hyundai eon…. saying they both have 4 wheel, both have head lights – but still blast a question to why the alto is cheaper than the eon!!!

    Pal… The INS Sayru… is a NOPV… it is different class and scope from some of the ships you have quoted… it is built for full filling a certain set of requirements as such LONG RANGE Deployment (read somewhere >30days) coastal defence… protection of Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) , including disaster relief, anti-pollution, firefighting, rescue work and interception all of which to have a heavier armed warship… is like asking to kill fly with a heat seeking missile…. you also have to look at cost, available tech, equipment, quicker build, deployment and turn around…areas of where this ship will be deployed to patrol…. for eg : the River class NOPV is being tasked to patrol the falkland islands… (do read on this and you will understand why)… while the INS sayru – A&N. …as for the armament – Navy has RFI for medium range AShM… so who knows…it will be retrofitted for this class…

    The case for this can go on and on…..

    "3) What is this new Indian OPV? piece of shit, peons for every crew member, 386 CPU technology, old surveillance technology."

    Where the hell did you get this??????… pls …. for the sake of a good argument and debate for ALL OF US!!!!…. back your clam with HARD Facts and not with POINTLESS and nonsense comments…..

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    Ashmann

    Check out the 2005 Navantia design OPV for a foreign customer.

    http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/povzee/

    Bulbous bow, wedge in stern, stealth technology, 2200 tonnes, 98.9 mts length, max accommodation – 92, SMART-S multifunction radar, CODAD propulsion.

    And our desi morons call INS Saryu STATE-OF-THE_ART.

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  17. 18

    Anchor

    If this ship was in the Pakistani Navy, they would have called it a destroyer or at least a frigate.

    LoL !

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    Anonymous

    I think Indian Navy and Coast guards should take a cue from Us navy and coast guard and go for X-bow , standardizing assets for every day patrol duties never hurts .

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    Anonymous

    Anon @ 7:53

    What wiki says:
    ' large vessels that cross large bodies of water near their best speed'
    For a vessel that is small or spends a great deal of its time at a slow speed, the increase in drag will not be offset by the benefit in dampening bow wave generation. As the wave counter effects are only significant at the vessel's higher range of speed, bulbous bows are not energy efficient when the vessel cruises outside of these ranges, specifically at lower speeds.

    OPVs in the IN are designed to loiter and perform extended patrols.They are not for sustained high cruise speeds.Large crews help in such duties and man its idiotic that you can infer a one to one relation with the number of personnel.
    We have no shortage of manpower,you seem almost pi ssed that navy can get that number of personnel lOL.

    The IN navy has performed the best among the three services and their record with the Pakis in 1971 is unparalleled.
    Leave the sailing to professional who actually sail and fight!

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    Anonymous

    This is good news for the IN. Just one comments: Our government is fascinated with the word "advanced", I see that a lot in various statements and project codes "…accommodated in advance ergonomic cabins". Just an example.

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    Anonymous

    Dont know about bulbous bow, BUT I will point out that the critic mentionned Israeli Saar 5 is 1200 tonnes and 64 crew. This Indian OPV is double the displacement and less than double the crew size, so doesnt seem too out of whack..ALSO IN is building these 2300 tonne OPVs fairly quickly and cheaply. Adding more radars and air defense missiles doubles the cost and converts the vessel from a PATROL VESSEL to a CORVETTE. A CORVETTE is not always bigger than an OPV, sometimes the only difference is more sophisticated weapons and double the cost.

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    Ashmann

    Well to the guy(s) who disagreed with my comments

    (1) Yes, you can compare the Alto & the Eon. But you weren't comparing them, you were just pointing the similarities. only when you compare them, can you make an intelligent assessment.

    (2) Please forgive me as I do not know the difference between NOPV & OPV.

    (3) These textbox words that you use – coastal defence, EEZ protection, disaster relief, anti-pollution, firefighting, rescue & interception are not functionally visible on the ship. If this is the final objective of this class of ships, then this is the most inefficient way of building ships.

    (4) Any NAVAL OPV should have the means to protect itself in whatever capacity. The Otomat 76'er needs to be slaved to a radar, else it will not be able to shoot at any target beyond its horizon. The AKM-630 is lead shooter with very poor accuracy, and putting it at the top of a bobbing ship with no stabilization; they're as good as bow-and-rows.

    (5) My purpose of listing a few ships of similar size, is not to compare apples & oranges, but to open your eyes that you can have similar sized ships with fewer crew. The notion perpetuated be existing IN personal or enthusiastics that the capabilities & crew are appropriate to this class & duties of the ship are FLAWED. It's the same with the age old tradition of have a dozen kids, because you need help in the farms and the attrition due to diseases & sickness. Hope you get the picture.
    The objective of reducing the crew size, is to reduce the financial bleeding as this bloated staff work, age & retire. Also, being in the 21st centry we should expect that the joining crew are educated, competent & intelligent and should be able to do their duties without someone behind their backs barking orders.
    The fact we need so much crew, is a clear indicator that our technology is far from STATE_OF_ART, because the ratio of tonnage to crew has barely changed over the decades.

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    Anonymous

    @9:46 PM… "man its idiotic that you can infer a one to one relation with the number of personnel.
    We have no shortage of manpower,you seem almost pi ssed that navy can get that number of personnel"… well, well, well… seems your father… is in government job… now you want… a GOI job… and want IN to have… reservation… and full of govt babus… like your… previous gen… make IN… ineffiecent like Governmet offices…

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    Anonymous

    @Ashmann,
    Bulbous bows are not some epitome or gold standard of high technology!LIke all designs they have a plus and minus.
    Its upto the user to decide what best suits him.
    What one requires is right technology for our Navy and requirements.
    The OPVs in Indian Service have got the job done and Indian made and designed ships like INS Delhi and others have successfully conducted extended tours of duties in the Gulf during the Lebanon crisis and on anti-piracy duties.
    Purportedly Super duper foreign designs may not always be the right thing in our conditions.Our Navy and Naval dockyards in fact have been the best proponents and users of indigenous products of all the three services.
    Catalogs and brochures are not the true test of what a ship is!

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  25. 26

    Anonymous

    we live in the age of stupid ……no point bark up a dumb tree

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    Anonymous

    very well designed ship. Kudos to the design team. Being a naval architect i had the opportunity to go onboard & check the various parameters.Interiors are fantanstic & comparable to European standards. Excellent job done by GSL team.

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    Anonymous

    Very well designed & stable platform. The interiors are fantastic & comparable with European military standards.
    Being naval architect i had the opportunity to visit onboard. Excellent job done by GSL design team.

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    Anonymous

    Very well designed & stable platform. The interiors are fantastic & comparable with European military standards.
    Being naval architect i had the opportunity to visit onboard. Excellent job done by GSL design team.

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    DKK

    Very well designed & stable platform. The interiors are fantastic & comparable with European military standards.
    Being naval architect i had the opportunity to visit onboard. Excellent job done by GSL design team.

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  30. 32

    emilymainzer

    Indian Navy recently got the second patrol vessel INS Saryu.It is built by Goa shipyard.Addition of this patrol vessel will be the boost for Indian Navy.It was delivered in July'14 to Indian Navy.It is featured with a radar featuring technology.To know more details :

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