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40 Comments on "MMRCA Negotiations Stalled Over Dassault-HAL Tussle: Report"
any professional entity would think the same as dassault owing to the lousy record/management of HAL…we need to first set our own house in order!!!
I would rather love see this deal getting scraped by (i wish) discovery of maliciousness. May god help scrape this deal, and that 20 billion is used on sensible fronts like AMCA and AURA.
What a crap/mess it is…if Dassault is responsible, they should have the freedom to decide or should not be held responsible. Only an idiot will accept what the stupid MOD is dictating, If I were Dassault, I would walk away from this corrupt and filthy country.
is this deal headed for the bin as well..???
If its… hal… air chiefs… packets… delivery will be… huge to non executable… with chor company… its 100% peace of mind… chor knows… how to make chors happy…
We all knew it was comming
France is acting pricey why dont we buy the F 18's the americans will supply them before we think twice
Three month old story..Antony made this announcement in Aero India in Feb in Bangalore this year…Loser Pranab
why don't Dassault actually adhere to the written contract, they knew HAL was the contractor.
So either sign or get out of the way for someone else to sign up for the MMRCA
It is beyond common sense, how can Dassault be held responsible for HAL's manufacturing? Doesn't matter if HAL's record is bad or good or exemplary.
Is HAL a Dassault company? What leverage does Dassault have over HAL to make it do or not do something?
Hope they will mutually find an amicable solution.
its a conspiracy!!! Dassault does not want HAL to grasp composites, Engine tech, AESA radar, EW suit and other Avionics technology which can make India apply to other programs like AMCA,UCAVs etc… Dassault doesn't want to transfer its tech to India!!!
Its not about supplying, rather about the technologies we are going to learn during the process of manufacturing these fighters. Air force choose not to go with americanF18 for reasons of technical capability and the fear of sanctions.
Why do Indians need weapons? Seriously, who will attack a country like India? There's nothing to gain. Overpopulated, polluted, hot and filthy: first four words that come to my mind when I think about India. Save your money from sneaky French. Use it for some basic development work.
MoD is taking a good stand..as per the earlier interactions with France,These guys are too smart..they sell their aircrafts cheap and the spares at too high cost. This is their technique to grab extra pounds separating out the production contract.
What Dassault said was simple, if HAL builds Rafale, don't expect the aircraft to be in same quality of the 18 aircrafts we buy directly from Dassault. Assuming if HAL was able to do that. But HAL was able to build SU30MKI may be RAFALE is totally different. I just wish HAL uses quality materials instead of 2nd grade junk to make some profit for their own.
You either produce your own aircraft from scratch (like a real power), or you buy it from someone else on their terms. What is all this dithering about? Get your act together, corrupt Indian govt, or go wholeheartedly with the LCA.
MOD and HAL are known for their posturing and this is a good example. Dassault can be held responsible if the product is found defective or not to standards. Can we say the same for HAL ?
Is HAL so important – why can't we have the private sector do it. What's the problem in Indian private sector taking it up, if we are buying it anyways from private companies in France and the US. After all, are Dassault, Boeing, Thales, Lockheed Martin Indian public sector companies ?
Americans won t supply you the know how. In any case the problem is same….they will just say yes and then in the end of the day blame HAL for not deli vering….the problem is much deeper than french chor…its really asking whether india is serious about getting serious in aerospace sector…
scrap rafale.. Buy typhoon.. I am damn sure eurofighter 'll do anything to grab this deal..
scrap the MMRCA nd get more MKIs….the light fighter concept is for cost savings like f-15 & f-16 pair or the su-27 & mig 29 pair…the cheaper nd lighter aircraft making up about 2/3rds nd the costly heavy aircraft 1/3rd…however rafale nd eurofighter both cost equal to or more than the MKI…thus no point in going for a knematically inferior aircraft for the same price…..upgrade MKIs nd get more of them…i guess everyone would agree that the MKI is the best fighter today after the raptor..
It's amazing how so many posts are about HAL's supposedly "inefficiencies". The frogs knew the terms of the contract when they entered MMRCA competition which stipulated that the winner of the competition share complete ToT wrt critical technologies. They did promise the Sun and the Moon to win the competition. Now once the results are out they have started piping a different tune.
Dump the French as they have swindled us in the Scorpene subs deal. Go for F35 as full partner in the program. F35 will help us gain knowledge in developing 5th gen fighters.
the hal has been shown its aukat by dassult these are aircrafts not the aeromodels
Just wait till PAK FA is ready… You have enough SU 30
Scrap the deal. Use the money to develop indigenous tech. That will the serve the country better in the long run. Short term fixes benefit only the corrupt.
we indians are fools rather than 20$ billions on rafales we shud have gone for Russian,upgraded suhkois mki or SU35,since we alredy have Tejas in that category.
Rafale can carry external payload equaling the entire LOADED weight of Tejas.Rafale has more external payload capacity than Su-30 MKI (barely).
The technology associated with manufacturing the Rafale is just too complex. I would highly suggest India forgets about trying to build a single Rafale and just buy 64 of them in fly-away condition.
HAL Cannot do this project