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34 Comments on "Negotiations For Rafale On Track, No Back-up Plan: IAF"

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3 years 8 months ago
It would be better to make deal with Sweden. Swedish r famous for their innovations such as bofors,viggen/gripen,gotland sub, rbs70,awacs,naval designs like GHOST,stirling aip etc. Some may argue that gandhi family will be involved in it & blah blah etc. But in real sense swedish defence products r the best & battle proven. Also they r happy when it comes to ToT. Pakistan did the right thing by ordering awacs,guns from them. Its our foolishness to design LCA which is still struggling instead we would have codeveloped gripen ng. Another foolishness we did by giving sub contact to scorpene instead… Read more »
Abhijeet
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3 years 8 months ago

India should go for Russian Su-35 fighter jets (with indian air force modifications) which are better than SU-30 MKI’s and French Rafales. Also why should India go for 4th generation fighter jets when Boeing is developing 6th generation for the US air Force.

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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

scratch the deal already……….
india is making a big mistake with rafale, Eurofighter is the best option……

scrap the deal when there's still time

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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

scratch the deal already……….
india is making a big mistake with rafale, Eurofighter is the best option……

scrap the deal when there's still time

Elango.G
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Elango.G
3 years 8 months ago

V shld ban dassault frm future deals if neg. Fail and opt for typhoon or f 35

Anonymous
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3 years 8 months ago
Why didn't Russia offer the Su-35 at MMRCA? MiG-31 is totally undeveloped & unproven platform. Su-35 means similarity with the existing Su -30 logistics hence lots of cost effectiveness. Its also touted as the 4++ generation fighter (similar to other MMRCA contenders) with better aerodynamics & more powerful engines. It also means millions in savings in training costs & maintenance as IAF already has everything for Su-30. If currently IAF is operationg the Su-30 & in future plan to go for PAK-FA – both being Russian platforms & designed by the same Sukhoi Bureau…it made much more sense to go… Read more »
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3 years 8 months ago
Why didn't Russia offer the Su-35 at MMRCA? MiG-31 is totally undeveloped & unproven platform. Su-35 means similarity with the existing Su -30 logistics hence lots of cost effectiveness. Its also touted as the 4++ generation fighter (similar to other MMRCA contenders) with better aerodynamics & more powerful engines. It also means millions in savings in training costs & maintenance as IAF already has everything for Su-30. If currently IAF is operationg the Su-30 & in future plan to go for PAK-FA – both being Russian platforms & designed by the same Sukhoi Bureau…it made much more sense to go… Read more »
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Armand
3 years 8 months ago

I think French equipment is far more "battle tested" than Swedes that never go to war. Rafale has conducted combat over Ivory Coast, Libya, Mali and Afghanistan. Gripen has gone to battle nowhere. Scorpene problems delays were MDLs fault for not being able to absorb technology in a timely manner and GoIs for not pre-contracting electronics. The reason India is falling behind China is due to their obsession with bribes. It is their own officers demanding them.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

there is a option…go for su-35

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

IAF should request Sweden to reopen their closed Viggen fighter production line to produce those fighters. For Indian "old is gold", these fighters may prove far superior than the Russian planes in IAF inventory.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

why would they announce this? Should have just kept quite and let the French get worried.

Cujo

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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

Come on… Anglo-Saxons… bribe the dassault officials… it's easy to bend french individuals… get CNC to derail… it for Anglo-Saxons taking… come on…

sents
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3 years 8 months ago

That is a good news. I hope the deal is on track and we will sign it within 3 months, we need the TOT and experience coming from this deal to develop our domestic industry.

laldo
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3 years 8 months ago

Cancel Rafale when we alredy tested TEJAS with american engines & go in for outright or JV with Russian Sukhois 30/35 series.

capital P
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capital P
3 years 8 months ago

never believe in anything unless officially denied

ranjan thakur
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3 years 8 months ago

hey franch plz follow t deal clause so in order to complete t contract

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

IAF…plz wake up.. u knw MKI's are the better machine…..why not buy more of them rather than the tiny french model…..u wud get 200 MKIs 4 20 bln…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

If negotiation fails…India should buy Su-35 and install with advanced Indian electronic equipment , just like India developed Su-30MKI with Russian…and is proved effective till now. Instaling Aesa Radar , and advanced electronic could boost Indian fighter confidence.

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Anurag
3 years 8 months ago
if rafale negotiations fail, the next legitimate option for MMRCA will be eurofighter typhoon, i think Dassault's concern for TOT will soon be resolved if the negotiations go on.., becoz world knows how important this deal is for them, if they loose in INDIA, they will have no other option but to shutdown in FRANCE. be advised even though rafale is been chosen for MMRCA , other's aren't packin to go back ,they weren't told offically that they are out… More delay in MMRCA DEAL, more Hope for Eurofighter…. yeah india has option to simply scratch the MMRCA and can… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

IAF should have EF as a back up when Rafale fails in negotiations. UK would spare no efforts to scuttle the Rafale deal.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

I don't agree with Frozen because it is not far superior to Tejas, not with euro fighter as uk is not trustable during war time supplies, Russian fighter is still in development stage, American fighters are old and America is not reliable during war….all that leaves rafale only. Go for it to get the technology or purchase mki or pak-fa…..by the way on kaveri please someone enlighten me how we chose GE engine over russian engine when we already manufacture AL-31 engines for moo…did Russia not agree or we didn't liked it……

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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

Don 't forget that the eurofighter is built for 20% by Finmeccanica of Agusta Westland fame. Besides not being of the same technical capability as theRafale in particular with respect to multirole capability.
I think MoD should seriously think of reforming the Dpsu sector for more accountability and efficiency

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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago
@anuragi agree wid u that jsf's a lemon……a big fat costly lemon….thing costs 230 million nd it can only sustain 6.5 G…stealth is only a illusion created by LM …..the original X-35 prototype was quite stealthy..but then they sacrificed stealth to carry a bigger internal payload…nd ended up with a big mess….. i hope the USAF is smart enough to cancel the project……this, unlike the F-111 will not even make a descent bomber…a complete waste of ever shrinking resources….even if it materialises nd goes into full fleged combat against a natin state possesing flankers (china) or fulcrums(iran) or f-16(pakistan)…it wud… Read more »
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3 years 8 months ago

Some individuals here seize the occasion to try to peddle, as alternatives, the problem-plagued and yet un-combat-proven F-35 or the insufficient un-combat-proven 'swedish' Grippen (who's full of US technology so the US Senate likely won't authorize much ToT, as for the F-35 btw).

Funny 🙂

Ben, from Canada
(a country whose government seems forced to buy F-35s no matter what, and who's just about to get flooded with a big Lockheed PR campaign for that aircraft).

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Anonymous
3 years 8 months ago

India spending on something that Europe can not afford is a joke. How can a $4/day per capita income country justify $15000 per flying hour plane?! Seriously! Wake up Indians: no country is going to attack you. All that money is being wasted so that some politicians can fill their pockets with French bribes.

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3 years 7 months ago
There is absolutely no other way but to develop indigenous technology. India cannot be beholden to others for technology! The appalling lack of confidence within the qualified technical community, as well as flagging determination both in the political arena and from the grassroots in this all too crucial area is keeping India from catching up to China at the least. This is a very serious problem for the country and for Indians. Instead of parting with hard-earned foreign exchange, the money should be spent within the country to invest in innovation and developing indigenous know-how in critical sectors including super-computing,… Read more »
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3 years 7 months ago
Rafale has gone to war in Cote D'ivoire and Mali where it faces AK-47 where there is no SAM nor sophisticated air defences. In Libya, it is the US EF-18 Growler that provided jamming and suppression of air defenses, without which Rafale would not survive. Afghanistan, the vast majority >>95% of air support was and is provided by F15E, F16 and F18. And let's get real, 4th generation fighters will not do well against 5th gen, and the future is already written, more drones and more drones. The 6th gen US fighters will be unmanned with a manned "option". Send… Read more »
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3 years 7 months ago
Common fan boys… After long and indepth testing of all fighter available, Typhoon and Rafale emerged as the best ones. Rafale alone prooved to be the cheaper. After years of operation in Afghanistan, Libya and now Mali (not Ivory Cost) and hundreds of guided bombs delivered it is by far more combat proven than Typhoon or Gripen. The later never delivered a bomb in combat! It is by far more versatile than Typhoon, and right now can perform any mission you want from a fighter. Tyhpoon doesn't have recon pod, anti-ship missile and cruise missile has yet to proven…all you… Read more »
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Kos
3 years 7 months ago

ok, this might seem a stupid qn, but i have read that each rafale will cost 1.5 to 2 times the cost of a su-30mki. why not just build the su-30mki with a better radar, cheaper? i know, quality is better than quantity, but after 1 point, overwhelming quantity can still upstage slightly better quality…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 7 months ago

Telling Dassault that we have no other plan or option is not really a good negotiation strategy.

Anurag
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Anurag
3 years 7 months ago
an anonymous posted on thread said "IAF should request Sweden to Reopen Viggen production line " whoever posted this , are out of your freakin' Goddamn mind… do you have any idea what are you trying to say Saab 37 Viggen built in 1970s is "GOLD" for IAF … Great then we should also request the amercians to make F-86 Sabre as MMRCA Competitor…… Goddamn !!!! its a brilliant idea from the most "Intelligent Person Of the Century" it sure explains why You posted as"ANONYMOUS" and here we thought MMRCA was all about latest technology,highly capable fighters.. But No Some… Read more »
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Anonymous
3 years 7 months ago

Start parallel negotiations for the Eurofighter as backup plan. The French will come to their senses.

They can in not terms bargin this way. India is paying for the $$$ which in today's financial situation, they would be more than happy to take.

Give us what we want at our own terms. Or else, they can take a walk. Simple as that.

Anurag
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Anurag
3 years 7 months ago
i did not meant to underestimate Su-35, sure it the latest in flanker family with high thrust engine, advanced avionics , more variety in weapons . But the Question was Will India Induct Su-35 when it already has Su30MKI won't the Super Su-30 be comparable to Su-35 , only countries like China and venezuela have confirmed about there purchase of Su-35, becoz they have been operating Su-20MKK and MK2 versions which are more primitive to Current MKI/MKM can't they simply go for upgrading their MKK and MK2 to MKI standards, maybe they can't because MKI Or MKM comprises tech from… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 3 months ago

The Best option if This Rafael Deal Fails would be to choose LCA co-develop a version of it with a Foreign Firm, get GE engines and AESA Radar, and other necessary things which we don't have internally, build the rest within the country.

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