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29 Comments on "India ‘Spikes’ U.S. Hopes, Rejects Javelin"

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2 years 1 month ago

kindly stop sharing misinformation with people. Spike-SR has cleared by the MOD for SF. Javelin is still in the picture to arm the rest of the infantry battalion.

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2 years 1 month ago

there should be a like button for excellent comments like above

Sourav Moitra
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2 years 1 month ago

what about MRCA ?? no fighter jets ?

Dark Shadow
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Dark Shadow
2 years 1 month ago

Javelin is better system than Spike.India will install that Spike variant on BMP-II vehicle.Yes USA has done much damage regarding commitment and ToT sharing.Even if it restart to sell Javelin it might take much time to close the deal with USA.Spike has sold many countries and not less weapon system than Javlin.

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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

India is purchasing 8000+ missiles with 371 launchers as CKDs. The balance. out of a total req of 40K missiles and additional launchers will be locally manufactured under Tech Transfer. Don't believe Spike is for BMP-II alone; US should forget the Javelin deal and move on. Javelin may be better (debatable); however, like all US systems it is expensive and more importantly comes with strings attached (End User verification, CISMOA). All it would take to clog the component deliveries at critical times, is a lone crackpot, peacenik US senator angling for a Nobel Peace prize .

Kana
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Kana
2 years 1 month ago
re: "Anonymous" hyperbolic critique: Exactly where in the article are false claims being made re: SF/ general infantry? The article doesn't refer to SF/general infantry, so it is not making any "misinformation" false claims re: general infantry induction, it never makes a claim as to the branch of service inducting them or the scale of the purchase… A coherent intellectual respones providing actual reasons why MoD would prefer to induct both Spike and Javelin would have been illuminating, but such a higher level of discourse is harder than pedantic "gotcha" games quibbling over (non-existing) phraseology. Perhaps we can leave out… Read more »
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago
This is great news. Spike is much, much better than Javelin as per my research into the topic. Reasons are: 1. Spike has a standard range of 4 km (which can be extended upto 25 km) whereas Javelin has a maximum range of only 2.5 km. At the moment the range of Javelin cannot be extended. Javelin's range is too low to safely engage MBT (Tank) targets. 2. The seeker in Spike can select the target instantaneously. The Javenlin's seeker takes 30 seconds to acquire target because it needs cooling. In a desert environment where background temperatures are hotter, it… Read more »
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago
Some more reasons why Spike is better: 1. Javelin is more expensive than Spike, without any significant advantage factor. 2. Spike has better optics in command and control module. Without the missle launcher, it can be independently used as an observation unit to monitor enemy activity. 3. Spike comes with a tripod, meaning that missile position can be tracked without any user movement over it's entire flight path of more than 40 seconds. The Javelin does not have a tripod and it is difficult for a person to maintain it in steady position for a very long time. This becomes… Read more »
Parthasarathi
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2 years 1 month ago

@ Anonymous 6.51 : If your version is correct then Javelin is a better choice for SF. As Javelin can be used as bunker buster. And ordering a huge 350 + launchers and 8000 missiles just for SF. seems very unlikely.

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2 years 1 month ago

NSR says —

India urgently needs 40000 ATGMs…

Since Nag and Milan are 2nd generation ATGMs, India is still in the market for Javelin…

India should take USA offer and go ahead because it will have a 3rd and 4th generation ATGMs form the same contract…

Its good for both India and USA armies…and also it opens up future possibilities and technology transfers…

Other reports says Javelin is still in running…

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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

The problem in Indo-US defense relations is they wont give us what we want and we dont need what they want to give us. US has to realize that if they want to counter the influence of an increasingly aggressive China then they must put their entire technological might behind India.

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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago
@Kana, I am sure I have used a very respectable language. If at all you feel that critiquing someone is trolling then good luck to you for believing in anything that is reported by the media. The article nowhere mentions about Special Forces or infantry, and that is precisely my point. This information is missing in the article. Of course, IA can use both javelin and Spike-SR because both serve different purposes. Spike -SR being extremely light is useful for para-SF for use in mountains. Whereas javelin is better for plains. The MOD has never stated that javelin is out… Read more »
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

"Sources told NDTV that South Block decided against the US offer for three reasons: One, the extent of Technology Transfer to the Indian counterpart Bharat Dynamic wasn't clear; two, the cost of the Israeli missiles was cheaper than the US missile and finally canceling the Israeli deal at the last moment would have sent wrong signals to the international community."
Bottomline: India considers US an unreliable supplier and has been very cautious with its purchase of Offensive Weapons / Platforms, since these are critical in the conduct of war operations.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

Re: Anonymous @ 10:19 AM
Its a problem not restricted to Indo-US defence relationship, but with the entire Indo-US relationship. Period.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

Re: @Anonymous
"The problem in Indo-US defense relations is they wont give us what we want and we dont need what they want to give us. US has to realize that if they want to counter the influence of an increasingly aggressive China then they must put their entire technological might behind India."

What would you call P8I with harpoon missiles? Isn't that an offensive platform?

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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

Presence of Harpoon missiles does not make P-8I an offensive platform. Imagine sending a Boeing 737 to interdict a hostile flotilla! Continuing with P-8I as an example, it does not come equipped with OceanEye Aft Radar and Magnetic Anomaly Detector (for submarines); precisely because India is not a signatory to CISCMOA/BECA. Again, cutting edge technology not available! It would be interesting to observe the contract negotiations for Apache; wouldn't be surprised if it is cancelled.

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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

Is anyone sure for which version of Spike this deal is for ? Only MR (replacement for Milan)? The MR and LR (to replace Milan and Konkurs)? MR and LR and ER (Replacement for Milan,Konkurs and Helina/Hellfire). In my opinion the second one is more probable since we need to replace both Milan and Konkurs.

I believe Javelin may only have been rejected on the basis of US blocking ToT whenever it thinks we went against their policies. From a technology perspective both the missiles are pretty comparable.

sandhya
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2 years 1 month ago

Salute the Indian Army for their courage

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

Even US army uses spike.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

so this kills NAG- shoulder version.. so much for Make In India?

Gilberto Rezende - Brazil
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Gilberto Rezende - Brazil
2 years 1 month ago
Shiv about MMRCA, is there any concern or thoughts about the fact that yesterday (one day after our presidential election) the Brazilian Air Force has signed the FX-2 deal with SAAB and at the similar condition India Air Force is still waiting to sign the MMRCA deal with Dassault considering India had selected Rafale in January of 2012 and Brazil had selected Gripen in December of 2013 ???I think the military situation for India is far more serious than our in Brazil but I recognize, the change of political leadership in India instead of the continuation of political leadership in… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

As an American, I am so severely butt hurt by you superior Indians buying Israeli arms. Waa. I'm going to go cry now! Waa. Enjoy buying every damn consumer product we make clowns.

SWANK
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SWANK
2 years 1 month ago

The first Anon is right. Spike is NOT replacing Javelin – Spike SR in smaller numbers are obtained for a different reason that is why the numbers are low compared to what is needed. Both Spike SR and Javelin will be procured.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

@Crying American
What Consumer products? Have you ever visited a shopping Mall in India? Not a trace of products made in USA. Heck….even the Americans don't buy products made in USA!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

Yeah like you retards don't purchase Apple products. I've been to India buttlick. Many times to many malls in Mumbai. I know what crap people buy. Give your hypocrisy a rest. Last I heard your Mars probe hasn't done jack shit either.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

@Crying American

Apple is made in USA! Is that the extent of your knowledge? Jeez…no wonder you have to pepper your comments with profanity to mask your ignorance.

Ved
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2 years 1 month ago

Javelin has not been spiked. Spike has been selected for SF. That is the reason only 8000+ spike missiles have been ordered. An advanced version of Javelin will be co produced and then acquired which will be mass inducted.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 1 month ago

Please go with javeline because it is much advance and buy the Use in huge NO and launch there is much accuracy please go with Javelin Anti Tank missile Please Mr Narendra Modi ji

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 10 months ago

Usa is a conty that always have a double face.. one side showing he is with india by offring there toys and other hand give the money to pak for spread terro in india.. i want to ask u (Usa). R u really with india.. then prove it..

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