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22 Comments on "Now Only A Question Of How Dassault Underwrites HAL-built Rafales"

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1 year 9 months ago

Dassault have fair enough demands …..

HAL has delivered faulty assembling of dhruv helicopters and if French manufacturer want quality to be intact ( for image) sake then its fair

on the other hand HAL do not care about image and life of soldiers leave anything on capability building

they are more concerned on how to waste public money ex. AMCA

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1 year 9 months ago

Looks like the French Govt. is more keen on consummating this deal than Dassault, moD or HAL ! Ha ha … wonder why ???

Sethz
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1 year 9 months ago

Shiv, can u confirm what std. of the Rafale is currently under price negoz. Is it the F3+ or F3R ? If F3+, then does it include Metor integration & RBE2?

Know that diff b/w F3 & F3R is as follows ( just not sure what the diff is b/w F3 & F3+):

>>MDBA Meteor integration;
>>Laser homing version of Sagem AASM A2G;
>>Thales PDL NG laser designation pod to replace Damocles ;
>>IFF mode 5/S ;
>>Improved Thales L16 NMS;
>>Spectra upgrades ;
>>Reco NG upgrades.

Would apprec. a clarification.

Tnx

Rohan
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1 year 9 months ago
It is puzzling to note that despite the liability clauses being front and center on the RFQ (which all involved parties including HAL would have read) no one on the Indian side has in the last 3 years thought of the relatively straightforward solution that has now been put forth. HAL should have had at least a basic framework agreement draft in place to be presented to whichever OEM won L1 status. The fact that only now after years of negotiating with MoD will Dassault be able to talk directly with HAL is disgraceful. And HAL's statements about Indian labour… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago

At Rs 700 crore per piece, Rafale is daylight robbery! Three decade old 4th generation fighter (its first flight took place in July 1986!)at a 5th gen price! If BJP govt. inks this deal, it will prove BJP is as anti-national as the Congress. Dump Rafale, go for Tejas & AMCA. Induct 100 Tejas Mk-I to begin with.

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

that's how wars are fought, learn from British …… not by India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPU5iB2nrtQ

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1 year 9 months ago

Didn't dassault know of the terms and what is expected of them when they bid for the tender??? I just don't get it. Can someone pls explain.

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

There shouldn't be any other deal which will lead to IAF fall In fighters instead of current rafale,obviously tejas mk-1 should be undergo as soon as possible in mass phase.

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

"Daylight robbery"? 1986?

In 1986 this was Rafale A, with very different shape because M88 was not used (Dassault=Never a new engine in a new plane). M88 engined, the plane was around 12% light and its' size was reduced to current one: 1st real flight with current shape = 1991.

ashwin kutcha
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1 year 9 months ago

Death warant Indian RnD

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1 year 9 months ago
NSR says… Extremely disturbing news coming out of media about HAL and Dassault and decision making process… First they should only go forward if the price is right and TOT is transferred without any conditions…any disputes in contract, not withstanding language must be resolved in India's favor…so that Dassault can't escape with the language… First of all, HAL must ask Dassault for help with identical Rafale assembly line and conform to their labor procedures and standards with respect to assembly and hours… HAL should use exact processes of Dassault for airframe and AESA radar manufacture…any other deviation will not get… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago
S400 etc are defensive systems. Rafale offers deep penetration radar evading(by flying smartly of course) capability. Sukhois, even the super ones are basically air superiority fighters with an ability to carry a huge missile. The AF chief is right. Sukhois and rafales complement each other but cannot replace each other.It is obvious India has a gap in their overall variety of the air arm.There definitely is a place for an mmrca like rafale. Whether this mmrca will be the rafale or, it is too expensive or, hal labor is too unproductive to take this on(Hals own words apparently lol) time… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
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1 year 9 months ago
Screw the French …they screwed us over on the Scorpene delays;Screw the Russians ….they screwed us several times over past military deals, Vikramaditya being the latest in a series; Screw the Brits, we know them oh too well ! Screw the Americans, they are in bed with our neighbors next door and will screw us over at the first opportunity. So where does that leave us ? THINK ! NO man, no Nation has gotten ahead with a begging bowl in hand. Take pride and rise. Even a lathi can be more powerful than a gun when the man who… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago
I seriously doubt that Rafale can penetrate China air defenses. At Red Flag, Rafales were not that successful in penetrating defenses simulating those that China has.Take the Libya campaign, Rafales only went in after electronic warfare from E/F18 Growlers and Tomahawks have taken out the Libyan air defense assets.It is not just an issue with Rafale. To penetrate state of the art air defenses, you need 5th generation and Rafale is not one of them. Look at the US long range strike initiatives that will bring together 3 separate and distinct next generation stealth platforms with the aim of defeating… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
NSR says — With the advent of missile and air defense, BVRAAMs, and AWACS, the days of deep penetration are over… The idea is to keep any aircrafts and missiles crossing our borders as many of them became nuclear… Pakistan really upgraded their radar systems and have Swedish and Chinese AWACS…so stop day dreaming about deep penetration and Rafale qualities… I have written many times and writing again that Rafale actually did not face any formidable threats so far and its performance in real and saturated missile/air defense and defensive aircraft is suspect… Also do not forget, that India is… Read more »
big body joe
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1 year 9 months ago
Some of my freinds who are blame gaming HAL may be right in some sense but the facts are: -Our AF is paying through the nose to get these jets, so if we pay many times a russian fighter, we expect quality and as France is charging superhigh for even Indian made jets, they have to guarentee it even when made in India, while doing QC with HAL. -They cannot run away from their resp. even if the product is made in India, in private sectors do companies run away from computer parts built in china? no they guarantee them… Read more »
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Abhiman
1 year 9 months ago

We must reduce the orders of the Rafale drastically i.e. only 40 or 50 units, as opposed to 126 units.

This will help us save precious dollars, besides being a face-saver for both, France and India.

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Let's dump the PAK-FA. Let's channel all our energies on the AMCA.

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1 year 9 months ago

NSR says —

I forgot to mention the following aircrafts that will be coming on stream …

1. 60 Mig-29UPG
2. 50 Mirage-2000UPG
3. 100+ Jaguar engine/sensor/display upgraded
4. Mig-29K additional…
5. 140+ LCA/Tejas I & II in various configurations…
6. Weaponize AJT Hawks…
7. Weaponize all AWACS with anti-ship missiles and anti-submarine torpedoes..

Above all add additional SU-30MKI with 5th generation avionics and armaments…

Buy Rafale if and only if Dassault promises to transfer technology and manufacture/maintenance infrastructure…

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1 year 9 months ago

I am sorry Rafale did face state of the art defenses in those terrorists manning Dhsk or ZSU (or by default AK) on Toyota 4×4 Land Cruiser (or shall we say Land Fighter?). Even US special forces are on Toyota so clearly at least the Toyota is SoA…on land.

Raahul Kumar
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1 year 9 months ago

This RAFALE deal has gone for too long. Just cancel it.

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Anonymous
1 year 8 months ago

a picture is worth a thousand words. This is exactly what the picture of Indian and French defence minister shows. The french minister on a visit to India is accompanied by 2 military officers, where as the Indian defence minister is flanked by babus. Congress or BJP, nothing has changed in MoD.

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