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  1. 1

    Sniperz11

    This caught my eye:

    “the MiG-29KUB’s vital systems feature fibre optic communications channels. Fibre channels and fi bre optic lines expedite data-exchange speeds 100 times over and enable the pilot to outmanoeuvre and outgun the enemy. No MiG warplane has ever had any high-speed data-exchange channels before.”

    Fly-by-Light is an extremely revolutionary technology and is at the cutting edge of Flight Control…. something almost no other aircrafts have, not even the F-22. Its not only faster, but immune to Electronic attack and interference as well.

    Its amazing that the Mig-29K has this. LCA Navy will also most likely have fly-by-light controls.

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    Anonymous

    Dude, read the details before getting excited.
    Fibre optic channels can be used for data comms and which is what they are being used for on the MiG-29K, not for its Flight control system.

    Vivek

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    Anonymous

    If they scale up that radar, it will be a Phalcon equivalent..if only the IAF had the brains to ask for this on day 1.

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    Mihir

    Shiv, the Yak-141 never entered service.

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    Sniperz11

    Haha.. my bad. thanks for pointing that out…

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    Sniperz11

    P.S. The Jets on the Gorshkov were Yak-38 ‘Forger’ and not Yak-141s (as Mihir has noted above).

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    Anonymous

    This blog has started looking like Express…thanx to Shiv

    And by the way I know the guy who’ld install the computers software in Gorshkov…he’s a Khalsa in Delhi…he’s crying as the project is getting delayed.

    Jayanthi S

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    Anonymous

    >>install the computers software in Gorshkov

    hahaha….there seems to be no bound of sarcasam here…

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    Anonymous

    last anon…

    its not ‘no bound’….but it should be ‘no end’…duffer

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    Anonymous

    oye Shiv,

    how come all Express people are just writing about when the Gorshkov will come or can come….you idiots…Shishir and that new fellow Manu and you are just obsessed with these dates

    firstly how does it matter when it comes, till it is not coming atleast India is saved of the extra expenditure it will start incurring and dont worry Pakistan will not attack us till it comes and even if it does after it comes, we will still be the same and you think Pak doesnt know the exact date when it is scheduled, given the growing relatiionship bet Pak and Russia…..you duffers they have a better intelligence and a better apparatus than us.

    leave Gorshkov and move to other things all you Express idiots

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    Anonymous

    How did Aroor write/report on the torsion bar breaking in Ashwamedh, when he was not even there…..he didn’t go to the exercise to cover it, so where did he copy it from and that Col Ajai Shukla too wasn’t there

    He thinks after commanding an armoured battalion, he makes a fine defence reporter…he’s doing what the 20 somethings youngsters are doing…why are these people here

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    Broadsword

    Hi Shiv,

    I have it from impeccable… and I mean IMPECCABLE… sources that the dates mentioned in the article you posted are correct. Perhaps the delay has been understated.

    Typical of the Russkies, isn’t it, to cover up their delay with rhetoric about how much the Russian community loves having the Indians in St Petersburg!!

    And typical of the twits who have posted that “delay doesn’t matter”… they’ve been conditioned by DRDO, into a Pavlovian belief that delay doesn’t matter. No wonder they think like they do!

    cheers,

    ajai

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    Anonymous

    The manner in which Ajai shukla drags in the DRDO into every unrelated issue makes me wonder whether he was molested as a child by some chap claiming to be from the DRDO. Thats probably the only thing that can explain his bizarre anal fixation upon the DRDO.
    Ajai, see a shrink and get some catharsis dude!

    Jai

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    Anonymous

    As he was conditioned by obvious cabal to attack the DRDO, he seems everyone who are against his view as conditioned by DRDO…a CROOK to say the least…whatever BS he is going to utter in his BS blog abt arjun..these people are better marked as lifafas…

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    Srirangan

    There are larger problems facing Indo-Russian defence ties. I wrote a piece a few days back commenting on the same.

    Indo-Russian Defense Ties: Trouble Brewing Underneath

    – Sri

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    Anonymous

    mr srirangan while your piece was comprehensive, it said nothing new and did not even have any insights into the problems of indo-russia defence relations. give us your work to read if there’s something new or fresh that you’ve thought of. your article was merely a yoking together of what is already out there. i might also point out that “thaw in relations” means a positive development in relations, and not the other way round as you seem to have erroneously written. though your website design is quite nice!!

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    Srirangan

    Mr. anonymous,

    You are obviously very knowledgeable and nothing I pen down could ever be beyond the vast domain of your infinite wisdom.

    Although you might want to refer to a dictionary to get the exact meaning of ‘thaw’ and ‘thawing’.

    – Sri

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    Anonymous

    sri you bonehead. thaw and thawing both mean an improvement in relations. anyway, you write “the growing thaw in Indo-Russian defence relations is making it even harder for Russia to maintain its dominance in Indian defence.” growing thaw? growing thaw means better relations you dunce! get a vocab before commenting on things well beyond your “infinitely” narrow scope of vision and experience. and stop advertising your sludge on other blogs. you yourself say in your website that it’s our privielege to read your tripe, so stop peddling it outside your website and being a blog-ho. bloody local. you should try advertising on BR instead and get flamed like the other lifafas. i just hate it when people write these big self-important paragraphed pieces, and then invite people to waste five minutes of their lives reading the drivel. good day!

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    Anonymous

    i might additionally add that advertising your nonsense on aroor’s blog also shows how desperate you are.. get a life man.

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    Srirangan

    LOL, broke down and reverted to personal diatribe ever so soon? Anger Management 101.

    PS: Don’t pop out a vain.

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    Anonymous

    he has a point. you made errors in english and reacted with sarcasm when he pointed it out. plus all IDC seems to be doing is yoking together multiple reports from other DDM, dont you guys have something of your own?

    Jai

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    Srirangan

    Jai, there’s more to it. I have a fair clue who the ‘anonymous’ poster is and I’ve had run in’s with the same in the past.

    Frankly I won’t take any anonymous posts too seriously. If a person can’t post using his real name, then he/she does have something to hide.

    And I beg to differ, I don’t think there are errors in the english in that case. Melting of relations which were frozen, and you use ‘thaw’ it is a positive phrase.

    Such won’t apply to Indo-Russian relations. And in the context it is appropriate.

    About the websites content, I don’t participate in the editorial most of the time, but yes ID does have subscription and republication rights for PTI, UNI and ANI. So that is “yolking together” as you put it, inaccurately put, but whatever.

    And you can use the search function if you need to look for “unique” reports, there are plenty of those too.

    There seems to be a grudge against India Defence, I’ve been involved with the business development aspect from a very early stage, and my only assumption for some having this grudge is professional jealousy. As there were many who tried, we were the most successful.

    Heh.. long story, some other time!

    – Sri

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    xtrak

    Hi guys. I am reminded of a qoute, “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.” by Eleanor Roosevelt. Should’nt we all introspect once a while as to what we are discussing. Cheers!

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    Anonymous

    Sri

    I went through your piece just now and suffice to say you have a long way to go as an author and even in reporting what is presented. And no I am not jealous of ID, but fairs fair, and if someone like Aroor is held to high standards, same holds true for ID and you. You are mixing up all sorts of things together in that report and making hay. The Brahmos complaints were from rivals to NPO-MASH on the other hand you are dragging country level relations into the grinder using it as an example.

    “Russia had always viewed India as a perennial market and signs of India becoming an equal competitor was not being taken very well in Moscow. And instead of fair and healthy competition, the Russians resorted to allegations, accusations and political/diplomatic maneuvering. The first signs of Russia’s growing incompatibility with India’s evolving defense industry.”

    What nonsense- the Brahmos was cleared by Moscow. Just because Brahmoss rivals complained does not mean that this is Moscows view.

    “In May 2007, Russia pushed for an overall review of all defence deals signed between the two nations. Russia lobbied passionately for increasing the price even for deals that were already signed. The Russians cited the appreciating Rouble vis-a-vis the U.S. Dollar, and while the Russian concerns would force them to increase the price of upcoming deals, their desire to review the price of deals already concluded did not go down too well with the Indian Ministry of Defence.”

    And you imply that this is a seminal event- as if it were. Many such renegotiations have occurred before, whether it be the Hawk, Scorpene, or Jaguar deals, there have been cost increases due to varying exchange rates and commodity price fluctuations. But the media played this up like blazes and so are you, repeating their tripe with seriousness.

    While the overall theme of the article and your conclusions are not far off the mark, you should strive to put as less speculation and as much fact into the discussion as possible. That should be the difference between you and the likes of Aroor, think about it.

    Vivek

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    Anonymous

    Sri

    your website layout is good and the anon did complemented the good design of ur web. If he is being jealous, he didnt have to.

    like to see better reports from u people.

    I can taken this occasion to put across a question. The composite ballistic protection panel wich appeared in recent news is for LCH or Dhruv ? ID says Dhruv, other says for LCH

    joe

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    Srirangan

    Vivek,

    Please don’t mix up my views with that of the website. I had detailed discussions with many, including some Russian defence analysts, and it is clear that Russians don’t want to move forward on the BrahMos II for obvious reasons.

    Unless of course they’d end up winning every major defence deal India has to offer. Which is of course borderline blackmail, but that’s the way it works. Russian products flaws are well documented I don’t need to shed more light upon them.

    (I can quote anonymous MOD sources on this, if they let me. Off record everybody almost admits frustration over Russian antics.)

    If are going to view the BrahMos rivals’ comments in isolation, you’ll end up missing out on the bigger picture here. Too many things are happening together for not to not interlink them, and that was the overall aim of the op-ed. Yep, it was an op-ed not a journalistic report. Of course, you too are entitled to your views.

    If the previous anonymous commenter was you, I apologize, I might have assumed you were some other bloke. 🙂

    Let’s stop hijacking Shiv’s blog and move this discussion to some other place.

    Joe,

    I just checked the authors note on the Helicopter Composite Armour news report. Yes, it is the ALH (might also be the LCH, but this source is definitely pointing at army variant of ALH).

    And yes, we’d love to deliver better reports. Do realize, that while India Defence is one of our priority projects, it isn’t the only one and we as a group are being stretched quite a bit as of now.

    Shiv, Sorry for hijacking your blog mate. But on the brighter side, now you aren’t the only one being hunted around here. 😀

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    Anonymous

    Sri

    you are mistaken..i’m not criticizing.. i’m reading urs since ur olden days..i’m quite confident that u can bring more good reports. i can only appeal to people like u who can keepup the standards. Pls dont take it personal

    joe

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    Srirangan

    Of course, I’m not taking it personally. I do realize that we have a long way to go and that the self improvement journey never really stops.

    – Sri

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    Anonymous

    srirangan the snooty dunce tamed! wonders shall never cease. stop arguing about stuff you’ve obviously been found out about you harebrained twit. i still can’t believe you don’t know what the meaning of thaw is. amazing. and nobody’s hunting you here you sad-ass. get some life.

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    Srirangan

    ^^ Read Comment Above

    Vivek, This was the guy I originally thought you were when I replied to you the way I did.

    :-/

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    Anonymous

    Sri

    NP, that was my only post so far, in reply to you, the earlier anons seem to be the chap who just flamed, and jai..

    Coming to the Brahmos-II are you sure that the russians are not keen upon it?

    Cheers
    Vivek

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    Anonymous

    also, please understand that while the MOD and many other chappies are not happy over arm twisting, russia offers the best deals by far in critical cost sensitive technology.that is the truth. the MKI came with 90% tech transfer. dassault laughed in our faces when we asked for the same with the far less capable mirage 2000 and did its share of arm twisting too.
    the reason why the russians are playing hardball is because the indian govt does not understand that a “baniya” mentality is not good for long term relationships, not slagging on any ethnic group here, just using it to make a rhetorical point. we indians tend to negotiate so hard that we can drive a manufacturer to undertake a pyrrhic deal, one which he is obliged to complete but which leaves him with a sour taste in his mouth on account of the wafer thin margins. this is particularly true when it comes to russia, since they are particularly vulnerable over keeping their soviet era sized arms complex running in todays shrinking budgets and exports are vital. so we negotiate and negotiate, get th best deal but leave the supplier with the perception that he has been screwed over. in turn the russians have been, as u say, very blase about product support and arrogant about their shortcomings. but then again, the french have been no better, so try not to play up the russo-indo relationship as being on the rocks etc, you are doing neither nation a favour, we need them, and they need us. run silent, run deep as the submariners say.

    vivek

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