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  1. 1

    Anonymous

    wow… so now what???

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    Anonymous

    The percentage of import content is 60% in the first lot of 124 tanks to be productionised, which will be reduced to under 45% with the manufacture of first 200 tanks and under 30% with the manufacture of about 500 tanks.

    Will they talk about what components to be indigenous? Like if 300 more order to be placed will DRDO come up with enigine, transmission, thermals??? or is it empty rhetoric.

    Arjun’ is a proven tank as far as DRDO is concerned.

    Wow, new definition needs to be coined here… 😈 Proven by DRDO, certified as world class by DRDO.


    The present cost of MBT Arjun is Rs.16.80 crore. The cost of Arjun compares favourably with contemporary Western MBTs of its class, costing in the range of Rs 17 to 24 crore.

    Why not Rs16.99 crore for Arjun and …what again? contemporary western tank you say cost Rs17 to 24crore. This is like Indian Made foreign Liquor -IMFL DRDO version. You know IMFL is nothing but desi tharraa packed in bottle instead of Pouches.

    Till date a total of 64 tanks have already been developed The remaining 60 would be delivered by 2009 after due JRI.
    64 TOOK 8 YEARS AND THE NEXT 60 IN A YEAR????

    our indigenous efforts in this direction are appropriately rewarde

    Poor, pathetic pleading here, get swadeshi jagran manch for the cause now.

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  3. 3

    Anonymous

    There goes one more plant by the DRDO, and who better than Shiv?

    He was used by the foreigners and the disgruntled DRDO insiders when he did that series in Express, and now since there isn’t much to do on TV, he’s just towing what the DRDO wants plugged through him

    Have some ethics dude…..and by the way even that series was an effort only by Amitav Ranjan, and no contribution by Shiv.

    By the way, even those in uniform attached with Arjun think they’ve wasted their time…only Tatas have successfully made car engines, that can be indigenous, otherwise this country and its scientists are worth nothing, after giving them luxuries they come out with nothing.

    Not that we dont want indigenous stuff, and money well spent, but who will replace these ‘kaamchors’

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  4. 4

    Anonymous

    After having driven the tank, now Shiv wants to desperately save the project.

    He also manages to get a copy of the statement from Natarajan, who considers Shiv the best guy to plug a story through. Good, good,

    Shiv as it is you’re doing nothing these days, except philandering with TV Today girls, good atleast you have something to do next week.

    As it is you’re no longer a defence journalist…have no connection with defence except this blog of yours, which is read only by other defence journalists, who steal your stories and put them on page 1 with a byline…what a breed?

    Buck up dude and get some original stuff and do some good defence thing, if your interested still in the subject that is, otherwise you can move to political and crime reporting

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  5. 5

    Shiv Aroor

    i just love how i get the best quality career and singles advice from the comments section of this blog!

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  6. 6

    sniperz11

    Shiv, can u get official versions of their side of the story from teh Army guys… I’d love to hear what the DGMO and DGMF have to say about tehir blatant refusals.

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    Anonymous

    Take the reply from me Sniperz11….they say that the tank is damn good, and we need indigenous technology, but its taking a very long time…we want to place more orders but technology would be obsolete by the time the tank hits the sands.

    I’ve personally spoken to both and they have given me 2 different versions…official and non-official

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    Anonymous

    bloody rascals in the army have no respect for long term defence planning. just wait till the whole t-series of tanks goes up in smoke then they wll learn their lesson. killing an indigenous programme that has been nurtured by tax-payer money should be outlawed and included in the indian penal code as a grievous offence. then line up all these duffers in dgmf etc and shoot them.

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  9. 9

    Broadsword

    Great scoop, Shiv.

    I think, though, that the DRDO is making its point in an unduly restrained manner. But at least the scientists and technologists are getting off the ground and giving out their version of what is happening. If they don’t, the case will be lost by default.

    And India will lose a bank of painfully built up expertise on MBT design.

    What is needed here is some tough love. The army needs to be told: indigenise fast… or do with what you already have. The navy has already shown the way (with the same DRDO!) There is no reason why the army cannot follow.

    Ajai Shukla

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  10. 10

    Anonymous

    fantastic man! Anonymous @ 12:13 pm

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    Anonymous

    I Agree with Ajai. Out of the allocated budget for the Army, Air Force and Navy, only 50-60% should be spent outside(out of which, our offset policy brings some money back as investment 😉 ). Rest should be put in joint developement initiatives with DRDO, Universities and private defense research establishments.

    Delays in projects should lead to severe job cuts and penalties on DRDO and other private firms. They should hone their integration skills with off the shelf components than re-inventing everything.

    Liberally utilize the NRI talents, foreign consultants, whatever you need. It is better to be good at the expense of pride, than being pathetic and still not having pride..

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  12. 12

    Anonymous

    To anon @ 12:17 –

    By the way, even those in uniform attached with Arjun think they’ve wasted their time…
    Bullshit. Please post a credible link before spewing forth garbage.

    only Tatas have successfully made car engines, that can be indigenous, otherwise this country and its scientists are worth nothing,
    My spidey sense is tingling that you are a paki maderchode. Nevertheless, if you’ve ever stepped foot out of the country you will realize that most ‘phoran’ corporations run on desi brain power.

    PROTIP: Stop eating out of your own ass; it is unhealthy for you.

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  13. 13

    Anonymous

    Colnel Ajai Shukla said this about Arjun:

    If the tank does not perform well in trials, it should be shelved and categorised a technology demonstrator, rather than shoved down the throats of the army.

    Now wonder what changed the tune??

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  14. 14

    Prashanth

    Nobody else has asked this question, so I will.
    Can’t DRDO try and sell the tank to some other countries to get “their” money back? Why cry on the Indian army alone?

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    Anonymous

    Prashanth, you should already know by now that the thing DRDO is WORST at is PR and marketing. Besides, other than IA, is there any other army in the world that will buy phorun products that not even its own country will buy?

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    mukeshK

    Shiv, good for you. But don’t call the DRDO statement an “exclusive”–it has already been reported by two-three newspapers!

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    Anonymous

    mukeshji you always puncture Shiv…ha ha ha ha ha

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    Prashanth

    Get a good reco from IA, price it cheap and flog it to African countries! If ISRO is able to market itself, there’s no good reason why the DRDO can’t.

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    Broadsword

    Anonymous, you really have a problem with the English language, don’t you?

    “If the tank doesn’t perform well in trials”… which part of that don’t you understand? I am asking for comparative trials with the Arjun, the T-72 and the T-90. The army is shying away from comparative trials.

    Sometimes, not wanting to play is an admission of defeat. The Directorate General of Mechanised Forces KNOWS that in an unbiased technical comparative trial between those three tanks, the Arjun will come out tops. And that would be very very embarrassing and difficult to explain.

    So it’s best to just scuttle the trials altogether.

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    Anonymous

    Prashanth, again: because the rockets designed by ISRO are actually used in India. Antrix would not have been able to bag any orders if the indian govt didn’t use it to launch its own satellites. Besides, ISRO has a much better public image than DRDO which is routinely trashed (undeservedly) by the media.
    Finally, if the IA doesn’t budge on the fact that at 16m the arjun is much better tank than the 12m tin scrap 90 (t90), then how are they to invoke confidence in the buyer? they might as well go for the cheaper tank

    but you are completely missing the point in all of this. it is the army’s attitude that is of concern here. Even if the Arjun is equivalent to T-90 or slightly worse (not a chance in hell):

    1. Does the arjun meet the threat perception of the region? YES. Most tank regiments are deployed on the western front and can most assuredly take on the T80 or al-khali-dabba

    2. Does the arjun meet the gsqr as laid out by the army? YES. This inspite of the army basing its gsqr on janes and cut and paste from various glossy brochures.

    3. Can the arjun evolve as a platform as our experience with tank design and manufacture grows over time? YES. FCS, engine are already being designed for mk2

    4. Does design and manufacture of the tank in the country benefit the country over simply tightening the bolts on the tin Scrap-90? YES. Because it has a) export potential b) less susceptibility to phorun arm twisting c) inputs on requirements by the army that can be easily incorporated since these will have top priority

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    Anonymous

    Look guys!! ARJUN is our (indian) baby!! Good or bad (i doubt that) its ours!! We cannot abandon our project like that!! Ppl we have to understand that we have to walk before we can jog and only then sprint!! Wot army expects is to make ARJUN (our indian baby) to sprint the moment is born ( a very long and painful delivery, mind you)!!

    There is huge potential for it to be a sprinter, but give it time and effort!!! Get OUR INDIAN BABY a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous

    @Broadsword
    I am asking for comparative trials with the Arjun, the T-72 and the T-90.

    Fair enough, but do the Army needs comparative trial orevaluate whether Arjun is worth as MBT in totality??

    What do you want??

    The Directorate General of Mechanised Forces KNOWS that in an unbiased technical comparative trial between those three tanks, the Arjun will come out tops.

    This is a serious charge coming from you questioning the Army’s Integrity and honesty.

    Hope you know something which I don’t.

    some of the defects that you listed of the tanks are still there but your opinion changed.
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    The tank suffers from a hybrid design where several major components have been bought off-the-shelf and slapped together into a tank.

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    The tank suffers from a high profile, high visibility, high vulnerability to helicopter, ATGM and tank attack from ranges beyond which it can pick up those enemies.

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    The issue of translating a prototype into a production line remains beset with Quality Control problems.

    #
    Strategic mobility remains a major problem for the Arjun.

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    Anonymous

    Army will realize the importance of Indegenisation at ANY cost during the war and it would be too late by then. At least learn something from China. Even the Israelis who are obliged to buy US equipment under USAID terms have indegenized so much stuff. True that we take longer to learn but learning is a NON-LINEAR process: the more you learn, the faster you improve. Subsequent models take lesser time. God save my country from short-sighted “defenders”.

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    Anonymous

    Why not split up DRDO into multiple units and make them public ltd companies, by issues their shares to common public and to DRDO employees. These independent DRDO labs should compete among one another for defense orders. This kind of competition will make them more efficient. Also the Top Mgt of DRDO should be replaced with a professional management and the middle management with industry experts. This would get rid of complacency on part of DRDO. The unions should be abolished to bring in productivity.

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