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Still talking of update,I thought you will come out with details after such a long silence.
jis fauz ke bal pe sara india pakistan ko dhamka raha hai usee fauz ki neta aur baboo logon ne aisee ki taisee kar rakhi hai.Navy jara si demoralise thi to LET ko boat aake mumbai ragardh ke chala gaya. Agar poorie fauz demoralise condition mein pakistan par dhava bolegi to indian ka kya hoga ye aap sab log achhi tarah jaante hain.
Its about time the govt. thought of something.
The IPS lobby’s misrepresentations not withstanding, it is the armed forces which stormed the Taj, Nariman House, and the Oberoi in the recent tragedy in Mumbai.
1. It was the Marcos who responded first.
2. It was the army which secured the area.
3. It was the army’s commandos on deputation to the NSG who fought there, and died, and on whose backs JK Dutt is claiming to be the hero.
And finally. If we go to war tomorrow, it is the armed forces whose members will fight for this country and die.
Isnt it about time the govt. manages to pony up at least this much for these men??
I hope u have woken up from the deep slumber abt u r pay commsn input… anyways.. will be confirmed tomorro coz last time also u promised and jus vanished
another gimmick is it???
After the update there will be a cabaret by Sonia Baby for fauji Bhai entertainment and Sardar will blacken his face and do the Hapshi dance where he pops in between cabarets doing the hoo-ha-hoo-ha part. Pranab Mukherji Anthony & Chudhu(ambaram) will not participitate since Mukko Dada says that they will be "Bhite Bhoshing their Bhalls" ( you know like in white washing their walls)Their favourite pass time.
Shiv,I hope you do better than your best. Whatever happens don’t let the Indian armed Forces Down!!!
I THINK ITS HIGH TIME THAT THE OG BOSS IS SENT ON FORCED LVE AND WHITE BOSS DOES THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE DHOTIIS & BAABUS ALONE,I'M SURE HE ONLY WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.THE DIYA IS NOT OF MUCH HELP,RATHER A LIABILITY.
THE AGENCIES WHO HAVE CREATED THIS CRISIS,NAMELY THE COAST GUARD,POLICE,NETAS AND BABUS,SHOULD BE KICKED INTO PAKISTAN TO RESOLVE THE SAME.AFTER ALL ARE THEY NOT THE ONES GETTING PAID THE BEST???
dear shiv, plz convey our deep regret to this useless,lazy goverment to check the morale of forces first before deciding any action. The fauzis can not be taken for granted, you treat them like security guards when it comes for parity and want them to respond with same josh, which is not possible. This so called GOM is an eye wash & govt is trying to fool these fauzis. Forces will not accept these double standards.
Do we still need a debate on the outstanding issues ? Did any so called govt official defend Mumbai? It was we fauji’s who ensured the integrity of the nation. It is a shame that the irresponsible politicians treat armed forces personnel. When will we learn !!!! GOD save our country.
Fauzies do not understand realpolitics. In order to come to power, the Natas need Police and Bureaucrates. In order to to make millions, netas need bureaucrates right from DC to state scretaries to Union secretaries.In order to cover thier criminal acts and put the political opponents on criminal charges, harass them, falsely implicate them like Purohit and Sadhvi as an example, the Netas need Police or IPS Controlled Police.
What are the fauzies use of in running and maintaining a criminalised and thoroughly corrupt political sysstem?? What is their use and value??? Thus why should they be payed well. Let them rot or get demoralised. It does not effect the powers of the Netas and authority of the IAS / IPS.
Do not remain in dark and have any false hopes. Fauz no where is part of or an instrument of political and corruption sustainance. Fauz is not part of earnings and vote catching machanism.
Fauz will not get any thing. On the contrary what ever you all have got will be taken back. Example is MSP…Sahayak…Canteen facilities…may be ration… uniform… Every thing will be taken away from you and you will be consigned to the status of peons and peasants that you all are??
Ha ha ha…. beggers can not be choosers….Can they be??
Stupid Fools..If you ask for pay you all will meet this fate:
Better behave like slaves or IPS will be let loose on you all….and those IPS will be treated as heroes…
i sincerely hope u standby your word unlike last time.
The babus who are responsible for all the mockery should be tried for treason in my opinion- should be shot in the worst case and dismissed in the best case.
It should be extremely clear in the current scenario that our armed forces deserve better- in fact while they just ask to be treated at par with the babus- they should be actually above the babus.
The single biggest reason for yours truly to not even consider IAS when he was eye-eye-tee was the complete bend on your knee attitude to the politicians and the licking invoved in getting promoted.
I strongly believe that if the GOI does not take the side of the armed forces, it is the ripe time for the country to have a coup, and believe me the junta will be behind the forces. Down with the babus and the corrupt politicians who have dared to “improve relations” with Pakistan when they were training terrorists.
It is so very shameful that there is so much delay on the core issues. While the other services which hid in the Bomb proof cars are able to travel by Air and claim TA/DA , It is the same Fauji who laid is life to SUCCESSFULLY neutralise terrorist and rescue Mumbai have not got any relief and are being made to wait like what one sees outside a Bobbo’s Dafter. So Very shameful. I wonder if Govt will be a wee bit sensitive .
justice delayed is justice denied. simple issuues like these should not be made so complex that you require months of delibration.
where is the update?
hope there is something tomorrow or dayafter at the most. there is going to be a mass exodus from the services in case there is nothing. Shiv, i think the media needs to take up this matter without which the govt is not going to budge.
Hi Shiv,I actually expect nothing different. I have one querry. Can we all Jingo’s create a pressure group to safeguard the interests of armed personals ? Send online petitions for facilities and employment with dignity for these primarily rural folks.thanks
THERE WAS A SUGGESTION TO OBSERVE 7 DEC AS A BLACK FLAG DAY. BUT OUR RETIRED VETERAN GENERALS IN THEIR VACILLATING MODE DECIDED TO LET IT PASS. NOW THINGS HAVE COME TO A PASSE. THE GOVT. SAYS NO OROP. 16700 FARMERS COMMITED SUICEIDE IN 2007. THE MILITARY IS DEMORALISED. JAI JAWAN JAI KISSAN. THIS GOVT SHOULD BE GIVEN A KICK IN THE BOTTOM AND WHEN OUT OF POWER NOT EVEN A DOG SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO RESPECT THEM. THIS 26 JAN THE VETERANS SHOULD LIVE UP TO GANDHIJIS METHODS AND BOYCOTT THE REPUBLIC DAY PARADE.
Already about 81 officers of one branch have put up papers to leave in IAF. How many of it will reach the Air HQ is not known but the numbers are increasing. What is clear is that this crowd is not waiting and if they are not released we are going to see a totally demoralised organisation. As such the image of the armed forces is at the nadir. Thanks to this Govt this country can start counting the end of the armed forces.And what update can you give. We all know that nothing has been agreed to. Modalities are being worked out. Look at what has happened to the pensioners by CDA. After that if any one has hopes You are really PRAGMATIC. GOD SAVE INDIA.
DEAR ANONY @ 6:49PMWHICH MEDIA R U TALKING ABOUT?IT IS TOTALLY USELESS AND SOLD OUT.ALSO,UR IDEA OF MASS EXODUS,THOUGH EXCELLENT, MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE AS OUR OWN HQs WILL NOT ALLOW US TO LEAVE.I SUGGEST WE SHOULD START BEHAVING LIKE REST OF THE ORGANISATIONS AND START WORKING LIKE THEM.WE SHOULD CHANGE WITH THE CHANGING TIMES.IF OUR COUNTRY CAN FUNCTION WITHOUT ANY OF THE NETAS/BABUS/CPOS/CPMFS WORKING SINCERELY,WHAT BUG DO WE HAVE IN US TO BEHAVE OTHERWISE???
Sukhi!! Young Army officer at Leh told the Naval Chief during a social gathering” You are our Chief”
Anonymous – The lt Col will be handed over. After all the Italian Madamme of the house has no love lost for this country. Sardar was emasculated eons ago & the diabolic three have no time to ponder. The IAS will hand over the Lt col to the Pakis and maybe the IPS will escort him across the border with Madamme Sushma Nath being the official escort.
kahan gaya update…
where is the update????????
Ha HA Ha.. TOMORROW NEVER COMES.. atleast in shiv’s parlance
It is best to disband this Army and let the paramilitary take on all its duties. This debate is getting sickening.
We thought tomorrow means 13 Dec 2008. If incorrect please correct.
Hey Shiv,I waited till this time. My advise, 'DO NOT PLAY WITH FIRE'. Update your attitude first & be a patriot once in a while. So long.
Shiv your post is also like the GOM taking your time and letting babies cry. What is holding you back??? G A G ?
WHERE IS THE UPDATE OR IS IT UNDER PROCESS LIKE THE GOM
You guys live only on beggings, Remmber Invasion of armies can be resisted but not of IDIAS –the time has come , ponder , discuss two brains are better thaN ONE , ACTION QUICKLY this is where the IAS can do nothing , put in effort ,heart & soul ., think 12 years ahead ( not ofCPC )for much more , you have back bone you have courage , you strength then why this begging
well, still waiting for youer so called updates. r u there?
It looks like not only GOM and GOI are playing with the sentiments of the armed personnel of India but also Shiv Aroor. Not really expected this from you>>>>>>
When is tomorrow going to come
Shiv, why are you fooling? Is it to get few more hits for your site to get some advt? Not expected from you!
WHICH EXODUS?489 joined indian army on 13 dec 08.beggars are not the choosers.the three chiefs did not feel any shame in going from door to door to ask for parity.you do’nt get RIGHTS just by requesting.If you have guts just snatch it else keep begging for it OR keep crying the false wolf i.e. MASS EXODUS
WHERE is the update Sir???
Have been watching this blog since you posted your promise.
my apologies. i’m still awaiting a brief from my sources on the subject. do bear with me on this one.
You guys forgot “TOMORROW NEVER COMES.’
B’coz everyday tomorrow remains tomorrow.Isn’t it?
Please, retain some dignity, if nothing else. Look at your brethren’s comments here. Swearing, total lack of “speling and gramer” (leading to ask just how you passed an SSB), and worst, asking Shiv Aroor “to not let us down” and “do the job”. WTF ? He’s just another journalist. Pay Commission unke haath mein hain. Apni izzat toh apne paas hii hai na ? Stop ranting or grovelling in public.
give any rumour if authentic news is delayed
Mr. Aroor, your commitment to this matter is encouraging.
Gentlemen: I am certain many of you are not officers. Yet, your interest in this issue is encouraging for those in service. But a little forebearance please. Do not shoot the messenger.
And so time passes. no money, no izzat, no nothing. Only death, and Jai Hind
@DJ 1.20 PM
Thank you for a voice of sanity.
What is happening to us guys? Take some time. Think calmly. Write in MS Word (keep spell check on). Reread to modify the grammer, where possible. See if the point has not already been aired by someone else. Cut and paste your views here.
And, please maintain our dignity. Please.
Wow. Im betting most of the sad sack posters on here arent really soldiers, but aspirants or military buffs. Thats all to the good. But not when a very few disgruntled or ulteriorly motivated sorts start ruining the place for everyone else.
Trolling seems to be a national hobby amongst some of us. These whining trolls are not the sorts of chaps I have seen in the military.
Dont give the army a bad name, when you arent even in it!
Shiv, this might be an interesting story for you to follow up.
Here is a true account from an officer commanding a regiment
From IS Gill CO 22 Field Regt——– ——— –
1. I had an officer in my unit who was very good, tough and commando type. Capt AK Singh (2003 seniority). He wanted to go to NSG. Becoz of his strong desire, we relented and the offr was deputed to 51 SAG in NSG early this yr.
2. On 27 Nov, he was one of those sent to Mumbai for dealing with the terrorists. Launched straight into ops in the Oberoi Hotel, he est contact with one of the terrorists on the 18th floor at 1800 hr that day. Since the terrorist was holed up inside a room, they blasted the door open. However before they could throw a grenade inside, the terrorist threw a grenade outside. The grenade burst right in front of the offr and with splinter injuries all over, he fell unconscious. He was the only offr to be injured in the complete op (other than Unnikrishnan – who is no more).
3. He was operated upon in a hospital in Mumbai and all splinters removed from his body — less one. That splinter had pierced the left eye and destroyed it completely. It cannot even be replaced with a donor eye. No news, no media coverage, not even a mention in the press statements.
4. The offr is now alone, in ‘Bombay Hospital’ with the left eye still bleeding and the NSG people have all gone back to Delhi. He does not know how he will be treated further or what will happen to him. He is crying “Save my eye! I want to continue to serve in army”. There is nobody from the NSG to console him. His parents don’t know who to turn to for help. The CO of the Bn, an army offr, mind you, has not met him or even spoken to him till 01 Dec. When the matter was brought to the notice of the Adjutant of the Bn, he called up the offr and started off not by asking him how he is but “do not give any interview or statement to anyone”.
5. Ridiculous! If this can happen to an offr, what must be happening to men. If this can happen to those who were hailed by the nation as heroes, what must be happening to others. Whatever the intention may be, downplay casualty or whatever, is this the way NSG treats its people. Like Cannon fodder.
6. Fortunately, my regt is loc close to Mumbai and I have mobilised my regt to help him. After all, He is MY OFFR of the Great Indian Army. The Unfortunate part is I can’t save his eye and I can’t get him any official recognition. Your advice/ guidance is this respect is solicited, w/o harming the offr’s relation with his bosses in NSG.
7. Also tell your offrs. Be a leader, lead from the front, have initiative, be courageous and bold but don’t get injured. DIE INSTEAD!! Becoz if you survive, you will die a thousand death every day.
Commanding 22 Fd Regt
Source dost na rahaa, pyar yaar na raha….. fauji khata hai goli border post me bhi blog post me bhi
@indianace wish that I could agree with your comment. But the eyes have gone misty hands have become shaky! Mind has gone crazy! No wonder spelling has become desi. Pity the poor fauzi who waits with trepidation for the politicos to get a breather and clear the air. Point well taken albeit!
Now I get it, Shiv you were giving us an update on where the Government STANDS…… – But alas this Government just refuses to stand. It’s like that Adiyal Tattu that just wont get up and clear the path. No wonder Shiv the update is yet to keep its date
Source caught leaking information or what? Update tomorrow????????????
[email protected]:48 AM – your story is truly moving and dangerously demotivating to anyone wishing to even consider the forces. Is this the pitiable state of our country today ? Sometimes I feel what is it that we fight for ? What have people like Sardar Patel (not Nehru) given their lifetimes for.
We do need change at all levels – fundamental radical change – 6th PC may just be the catalyst.
No one rank one pension for military pensioners. So sayeth MM Pallam Raju.
Sonia Babes is the direct descendant of Mata Hari . She ensured her Mom-in-law faught it out with her sis-in-law, got, poor B-I-L killed and assasinated her M-I-L and blew up her hubby. Now she is out to subvert the Indian Armed forces with the help of the Babus and a team of eunuchs. Ever imagined why most Heads of State call on Sonia when Sardar is the PM? The babu will sell his/her own mom for a few pennies – toh fauj kya chhez hain? Imagine after 26/11 not one single babu has copped it- the netas took all the flak while the Babus got the media to blame everyone except themselves. The idiotic politician comes in for five years – makes a lot of moolah and may / maynot return BUT the babu who has been screwing this nation for 33 years also goes home with a fat sum. The country paying the Babus such huge sums is like a prostitute getting screwed and paying the customer. Now those idiots Pallam Raju and Anthony say that OROP is not acceptable and will have legal implications. Isn’t paying the IAS more than State PSC cadres officers also illegal since the latter does more work and is more informed.Why is the IPS paid more than the Home guards? Both are uniformed Services for guard duty? This elections every serviceman must ensure this Circus and its team of Jokers don’t return to the Parliament
Dear anon @921PM,U R absolutely right.If nothing else the only positive outcome of this 6CPC can be US faujis becoming wise and determined to make a change.A change in such a fashion that no [email protected]$%@$3 neta or IAS may be able to revoke.Let this event act as stepping stone for cooperation amongst the soldiers of all colours leading to begining of a BATTLE for themselves for the first time in the history of India.IS THEIR ANY OTHER WAY TO AVOID GETTING HUMILIATED AND DONE IN BY THE DHOTI WALAS AND THE STINKING [email protected]@@@#$ BABUS EVERYTIME.THERE IS NO USE CRIBBING AND BEGGING.
thr is still no update..
U tu Shiv !
I really sympathise with U pal. this has happened with U now second time (that U have failed to keep ur word, remem last time was posting Naval Chief’s). Any way I guess U r wiser now, never commit unless U have something in hand/control. Poor U, ur source let u down really badly!!
ET TU SHIV.
KYA HUA TERA WAADAAAAAAAAAAA?
here is an update
CDAs are not carrying out audits for AD HOC payments made to serving and retired personnel because they (CDAs) say that there is NO PAY FIXATION.
Happy New Year
This is in response to Anonymous’s post regarding an NSG commando still in Bombay Hospital with a splinter in the eye. Its shocking to hear about this. Is there anything I can do. The best opthal unit in the country in shankaranethralaya chennai. I am sure they will take of him free of cost if asked. Let me know. I know a chap who trained there who might be of help. [email protected]
I FULLY AGREE WITH ANON @ 9:07PM AND KK.LET’S BE MORE ASSERTIVE AND AGGRESSIVE ONLY THEN WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET OUR DUES.
PL DON'T UNNECCESSARYILY NAG/PICK ON DEAR SHIV AS HE IS ONLY TRYING TO HELP GIVING INFO AND IS POSITIVE.NAME ANY OTHER F****R WHO CARES FOR US?PL DON'T LOOSE PATIENCE AND IF U MUST THEN LET YOUR SALVOS BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE RIGHT TARGETS i.e. BABUS & DHOTIS.
Singh is KingThe King is a FinkSingh is a FINK
crying babies only will be fed.
Our italian mother ,does she hearing our cries.
http://www.mohfw.nic.in/DACP(SAG)2.pdf DACP for DEFENCE DOCTORS.In AMC are we acting on it or not?
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