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    IndianACE

    What the government is offering us in terms of pay is a cruel joke after taking from us the best years of our lives. And the bind which continued to hold us to this service, that is, the IZZAT of the uniform has also now been taken away.

    Was reading a book titled ‘The Later Mughals’ (Irvine)- Within just 12 years of Aurangzeb’s death, the mighty empire had collapsed to such an extent that Emperor Farukhsiyar was blinded and murdered by his internal enemies- just because he did not have a motivated army with him.

    India has gone 61 years. Good Luck.

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    birju

    What Gen Oberai has said is unexceptional even though it may sound as a repetition of the cry of the veterans for a long time.
    Let me however add yet another truth-that it takes anything from 10 to 15 years for any equipment to be fully fielded just as it takes about five years for a power project to start delivering power from start of the project. The only exception being that in case of power projects, it is inconvenience to populace and effects on economy, in case of defence equipment and manning, it would have implications on the very existence of our state.

    Finally, it ought to be remembered, especially by the bean counters, that investments in defence do not yield easily measurable gains except in an indirect way and therefore the political leadership has to show sagacity and far sightedness. Regrettably our leadership has failed in this respect-from Nehru onwards.

    Disclaimer- One is a veteran and is dismayed, perhaps to a much higher degree than Gen Oberai, at the current leadership of Mr. Man Mohan Singh so far. Otherwise how can one accept that the family of an IFS Officer is compensated to a higher degree as compared to Brig. when both were traveling in the same car in the same location! And the new term for gallantry invented for the IFS Officer who, like the Brig, was a passive passenger in the car!

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    Anonymous

    One thousand year ago anyone in Kabul who ran out of cash or pretty women had to just muster 400 horsemen and march down the plains of Punjab looting and plundering and raping at will since those days there was no one to defend India and the Indian people. The invader then carried on to Delhi and had a good time plundering and raping and butchering the citizens at will at his own time. After finishing his job he would return victoriousy with Delhi reduced to dust with trains of young women and handsome slaves and all the booty. This continued for last one thousand years with frequency of about ten to twenty years. So sure was the certainity of this loot plunder and humiliation of India that people of punjab developed a trait of eating drinking and enjoying what ever they had since it in anycase is going to be taken away ” KHADA PEETA LAI DA BAKI NADU SHAHE DA” meaning yours is only what you eat drink and put on ; the rest belongs to Nadir Shah. These threats have stopped only after providential appearance of the Indian Army which has ensure that out Western border is secure from the barbarians. Nothing has changed otherwise ; the barbarian with their old designs are still waiting at Kabul and Peshawar ; the only thing they rue is this stubborn Indian Army which is holding this line in the West of the nation. Today going by the discourse in the media and the opinions being expressed by some friends on the net it seems a deliberate effort is on to demoralise the Indian Army so that the society can get back to enjoying the forced genetic mixing of the Indian blood from the West.They are trying to do what Taliban and the ISI in last so many decades have failed to do. The mindless triade against forces by people like that imbecile Shekhar Gupta appears to be a natural genetic urge of a civilisaion used to periodic plunder and rape and forced genetic enrichment. The only force which is prevention this are the defence forces and hence the campaign against them. Pardon me I may be being disrespectful to a civilization which has a natural urge to assimilate other cultures but I could thind of no other reason for the deliberate humiliation of the soldiers by the society that he is protecting with his life. Please put me wise if there is some other reason. Warm regards to All

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    Anonymous

    why nobody want to listen to these GENs because they never speak when in uniform. Did he ever even thought of resign giving the reason that india is illtreating its soldiers. NO because then he must have been thinking of some good job after retirement.
    Now he is writing to gain sympathy.
    why does not he meet and tell the serving Gens that till the time Govt does solve the problem of soldiers armed forces will not celebrate any thing not even a BARAKHANA IN LANGARS . and it is the best way of protesting. In your own house when you are not heard you just stop celebrating.
    If you keep celebrating everything and keep odrering everybody to attend everything how will you show the india that armed forces are demoralised at present.and that is the reason Defense minister says that defense forces are happy with pay commission .
    In fact all these COLs and GENs are real culprit who will do everything for their promotion. if they change themselves no india will dare to humiliate Armed forces.

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    Anonymous

    "grave shortage of officers in all the three services".

    Airforce refutes that. We also know that many of its pilots are performing ground duty & administration tasks instead of flying.

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    Anonymous

    An excellent article written by the General. But will it be read by the people whom it is meant for.It will remain a good piece in one of our good publications which do not matter to the decision makers.
    Perhaps this is not the way our country is going to respect the men in uniform. We need more contribution from our elders in terms of going to the people and getting them on board with our cause.
    Seems that their services are required even after they have shed their uniforms.

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    Anonymous

    An excellent article written by the General. But will it be read by the people whom it is meant for.It will remain a good piece in one of our good publications which do not matter to the decision makers.
    Perhaps this is not the way our country is going to respect the men in uniform. We need more contribution from our elders in terms of going to the people and getting them on board with our cause.
    Seems that their services are required even after they have shed their uniforms.

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    Anonymous

    It is only meant for the likes of Shiv ad only he will read it to keep the blog going

    Why doesnt he do a ful fledged on TV what stops him

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    Anonymous

    It is meant for the likes of Shiv and only he reads it to keep the blog going

    why doesnt he do a full fledged for his channel..what stops him

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    Anonymous

    A POINT IS ; WHAT BABUS & LEADERS REPRESENT THE PUBLIC. THE SAME 'JUNTAA'WHEN IT COMES TO HONOURING THEIR OWN NEIGHBOR/BROTHER TREAT HIM INDIFFERENTLY. SAME 'JUNTA'WILL TALK BIG IN HONUR AFTER ANY SUCH ACTION/INCIDENT. BUT INDIVIDUALLY AS A SHOPKEEPER/BANKER/LAWYER/DOCTOR/TEACHER ETCETC HOW MANY OF THEM ARE CONSIDERATE TOWARDS A SERVICE PERSON. AS FAR AS GGEN IS CONCERNED IT IS THESE SENIORS WHO 'ENRICHED SPUNKLESSNESS,SYCHOPHANCY,SELFISH MOTIVES & ENSURED THAT GOOD PEOPLE ROTTTED. NOW THEY TALK OF HIGH MORALS . TOO SLOW ,TOO LATE GEN.

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    Anonymous

    You Generals , Admirals and Air Marshals are required to SPEAK UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR SUBORDINATES WHILST IN SERVICE AND NOT AFTER RETIREMENT WHEN YOU MISS THE GRAVY TRAIN.

    When can we have a few more senior officers like the current CNS?

    I am fed up of these retired lot now trying to show their concern.

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  12. 12

    Neeti Joshi

    excellent article. shiv can we request u to forward this article to PM who is FM also.

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  13. 13

    Anonymous

    The soldier’s izzat will be restored only when we have some of our retired personnel joining the politics. Have our retired officers, especially the generals, forgotten that ethos called – leading from the front? In today’s world, politicians make all the important decisions. If we want them to listen to us, we better have enough representation in the democratic framework. Gentlemen, you were really good leaders when in uniform. Let’s see those skills once again when you are out of the uniform.
    Writing newspaper and magazine articles will not help. We need some leaders supportive of our cause in the democratic system of the country?

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    Anonymous

    Dear Gen
    The feelings in the forces are very clear now. Where as all ranks agree with what you say but please do substantiate with facts as to what you DID to achieve what you feel or these are your subdued feelings that are now coming out as you no more have perks of being a gen that blinded you while in uniform. SERVICE BEFORE SELF UH…

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    Anonymous

    Some Anonyms above have criticised Gen Oberoi without knowing his contribution to the elan and prestige of the Inian Army or they very well know his role and contribution and are settling scores.

    Gen Oberoi has had immense positive contribution in setting very good standards for the Indian Army officers specially during his various tennures at Mil ops Dte and specially as DGMO. Those who know it, has seen him giving shut ups calls to the high and mighty arrogant bureacrates, of course for the sake of the good of the country. He has set very high standards for others by his personal examples. Those who know it value it very highly..

    Difficult to get such fine and deicated general officer…

    I welcome his heartfelt feelings which are aboslutely right, timely and encouraging.

    Thank you general…A soldier never dies…

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    Anonymous

    Victory in past wars was sum total of spirited battles fought at sub-unit level by the leadership of officers of rank of lt col and below.The casualties of injury/death in these ranks reflect everything.These soldier officers have struggled,sacrificed and bleeded during wars of 1947,1962,1965,1971 and KARGIL action.The Nation has been defended and the armed forces emerged victorious.Prosperity of today is enjoyed by these babus&politicians .
    Those lt cols and below who did not get higher promotions/grades (like civil service) have received only 60%of legitimately eligible pay/pension since 1986.The life of living with those frequent wars and almost half pay and as subjects of ARMY ACT was so bitter. That is why the youth who see the life and living standards of veteran soldier officers do not volunteer for services .The neglect and ill-treatment since 1986 was glaringly visible . these generals were a party for all that grave injustice. they did nothing .Now they are crying loud because they are now effected.Anyway better late than never.

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    Anonymous

    @ANNONYMOUS AT 9.37
    OHH YESSS it is because of that high standard for army officers they are being f**** now. ye GEN saheb log sirf angrezi maar ke GEN bante hain aur wahi angrezi maarte reh jate hain.
    Has he ever been successful in getting something good for defense.
    Even now only Navy chief is trying.

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    Anonymous

    @Anon Above

    Armed Forces in this country will always be F***** and subjugated till the Political class really gets hold of their Political bases and becomes secure. Till then it will always be projected as a threat to the psudo baseless and superimposed Political class.

    Those Political parties which emerge from the Mass base and have solid foundations as also National Character does not need IAS and IPS crutches to rule the Country and keep distances from the Armed Forces subjugating them in fear, iimaginary or real.

    One must realise that The Congress has ruled this country for last 60 years never ever poliing more than 42 per cent of votes, with the Cruthes of Minorities, so called social justice, regionalism, castism, and all Political evils that are evident and existing today. The Chankya niti of all kinds were throughly practiced. In this process, IAS, IPS and many other services have become indespensable part of the Congress Political system and part of the rot.

    Since Army is not part of the political system and it has not many political uses, it has been kept at the bay by the mischievious and status hungry greedy competing Bureacrates. For them Army gaining closeness to Politics is a threat to thier Power and status.

    Armed Forces will only gain their place in the Country only on stablisation of our Political system which will render the Bureacrates less influencial and the Politicin like Nehru will not spend all time in Constant Political fear. Then only the Defence of the Country will merit Political attention rather than mamanging it as a mtter of expediency.

    Why abuse Generals. Do you want them to take over the Political system. As citizen soldiers understand why Babu and Thulla is more important today. You mean to say the Babu Neta and Thullas ever bother about some desrt expanses of Ladakh. Look Nehru donated large chunk of it to the Chinese and only made some nises when politically threatened on that issue.

    Why should govt bother about Fauzi. He neither votes, not contributes to Funds not coerces people to votes nor rigs election results..

    So stay calm and be happy with two lrgs, two pegs and two eggs…or MOD Babu will take that too away from you all…

    Do not abuse Genral if you are not one….

    Thanks

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    Anonymous

    There are credible whispers in the corridor about why the three top officers of Bomaby ATS got shot in such a way. Connected with that is why very high placed ministers like Antuley are up in Arms on the issue.

    The grapevine has it that Karakre and two other Cops were Daud men. When the firing stated at CST and in Taj karkare rang up Daud and asked him to stop that. The three cops were then told to to go towards Kama hospital where two men would have surrendered to them and other place firing would also be stopped. Then the two terrorists with their local ID and red strings on their hands would be arrested by ATS and proved and tried as Hindu terrorists. However, when the three top Cops reached the spot, instead of surrendering, Ajmal Kasab emerged out of the bush and shot dead all.

    Antuley and many other Muslim leaders. Malegaon investigations all are links of the same chain. The IB perhaps had known it and even warned the Govt but the ruling Party encourged the Hindu Terror game.

    Dawood played bigger game as even after so many narco tests, Karkare was not able to get any thing from Sadhvi. Before the Dawwod connection could be known Karkare and two other Dawood men were removed during Bombay attack. The terrorists had Hindu IDs and were dressed like Hindus to give it Hindu Terror look.

    Dawood played a big game which is being carried forward by Antulley fully knowing Dawood game.

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    Anonymous

    Some more evidences to the above:

    However, in this it has been ommitted that soon after thier muder, Azmal Qasab had telephoned to their Masters in Pakistan that they has got the “Bounus”, meaning that they have been able to kill the three defient Cops.

    Read this;
    [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Indian_Mujahideen_had_warned_Karkare_ATS_in_emails/articleshow/3864079.cms]

    It is also not very strange as to how Beijing daily promptly published an article showing the terrorists to be Hindus.

    Strange but Connected links..

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