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  1. 1

    Anonymous

    there is trouble with all foreign companies let alone russians like french asking 40 million dollars per m2000 upgrade their nuke deal with france,americans selling to pakis and their end user agreement not been resolved

    how much rafale going to cost,and scorpene got delayed after paying 583 million for each sub??

    and don't know what kind of political influence india will get from any country or for that matter from US in international arena

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  2. 2

    Anonymous

    what else is remaining to be proven in mig35 except aesa radar and no other country except US has aesa tech fully operational

    mig35 is closer to mig29k except mig29k has no aesa radar but mig29k has all qualities of mig35 so if there is only one mig35 prototype then there is mig29k which can be tested

    and IAF not going to induct any MRCA in next 4-5 years for sure so this enough time to prove their aesa

    but zhuk ae matches apg80 radar and indian navy going for 30 more 29k with aesa radars

    mig35 can carry all those PGM/STANDOFF weapons which su30mki can carry

    su30mki carry

    el/m 2060p SAR pod
    Condor-2 LOROP electro optical pod
    el/m 8222 jammer
    litening 2 pod
    SIVA POD

    all these options mentioned are already installed on mki so it would not be hard to install these on mig29s as well which are being upgraded and on mig35 as well.

    and these options make upgraded mig29 excellent in all aspects and makes mig35 none the less capable to any other contender for MRCA

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  3. 3

    Anonymous

    what kind of support india got from US??

    did US bombed pakistani occupied kashmir for the sake of indian interests??

    did india get daud from pakis and other terrorists??

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  4. 4

    Anonymous

    Great work shiv. Keep it up.
    – jitin

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  5. 5

    Tejaswy

    Hey,
    I want the MiG 35 to win.
    so
    the mig 35 deal can be done as the Su 30 MKI deal.We are not having any issues of spare parts with sukhoi are we.?

    The MiG comes with a full TOT, So servicing and maintenance should not be a problem

    It can be heavily modded like the Sukhoi 30 MKI.

    The RD 33 engine can be used to power the LCA …Can't it?

    Lets face it… Russia will never interfere with India's foreign policy and neither will it give any sanctions to India.
    The reason Russia is so cool about the MCRA deal is that it knows that it will win it.

    Plus it is pretty impressive that it flew from Moscow to Banglore in under 3 hours

    I hope they win
    :finggy crossed:

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  6. 6

    Tejaswy

    Tejas update shiv???

    Where is it ?

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  7. 7

    Anonymous

    Even the IAF's existing MiG-29s suffer from serviceability issues as a result of Russia's refusal to cooperate quickly on spares and aggregates support
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    ok what it has to do with mig35 and if there are no spares available then how IAF flies two sorties of mig29 in a day and how IAF will keep then in serivce till 2030

    and if there are no spares then how IAF can fly mig21bison till 2020

    only 18 MRCA will be produced in foreign country and rest in india

    so if india produces mig35 with tot then india can make spares as well for IAF mig29s and navy's mig29k as well

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  8. 8

    Anonymous

    Are we so fixated on Pakistan, that we forget Russia sells to China? They are our real enemies, much more than Pakistani;s!! If America sells to Pakistan, Russia sells to China! France , Sweden, germany also sells to Pakistan!!!!

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  9. 9

    Anonymous

    MIG-35 shown to India is actually a MIG-29M aircraft with more upgradation on the airframe. MIG -35 actual capabilities (including ground strike) shown to IAF are still in the paper only. Problem of after sales support will always be there. Russian Air force presently has no intention to purchase any MIG-35 aircraft.

    IAF will have to use the MRCA till 2040.

    MIG-35 entire life cycle, from initial implementation through operations and continuous improvement till 2040 is doubtful.

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  10. 10

    Anonymous

    shiv, may i please just inform you of what an excellent job you are doing with this series and this blog as a whole. true professionalism. this could be your full-time job sometime soon if you continue this way!!! kudos and all the best.

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  11. 11

    Anonymous

    The unfortunate truth is that the Mig-35 is the weakest out of all the MRCA contestants. The Eurofighter is a better A2A fighter. The Super Hornet is a better A2G fighter and the best multi-role fighter capabilities wise is the Rafale. The worst part is that Russia isn't even going to induct the Mig-35, then why should India induct an Orphan fighter. Choosing the Fulcrum would put a majority of Inida's eggs in one basket (Russia). What happens when Russia's horrible after-sales support comes into play, India might ground a number of the Mig-35 which is unacceptable. If India wants air dominance choose the eurofighter if they want a bomb truck choose the Super Hornet, or if India want's a true multi-role aircraft choose the Rafale.

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  12. 12

    Anonymous

    MIG-35 shown to India is actually a MIG-29M aircraft with more upgradation on the airframe. MIG -35 actual capabilities (including ground strike) shown to IAF are still in the paper only
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    no this is new airframe

    to know this check out some pictures online and check the wings of mig29m and mig35 you will come to know

    mig35 wings are larger than mig29m wings and so is nose diameter

    and one doesn't need to fire costly PGMs to show what each fighter can do

    mig35 carry all those PGM which mki carry and about this IAF already knows

    and y we need russian help in future when all fighters will be build in india just like we don't require spares from abroad and all the spares will be produced in india for mig35

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  13. 13

    Anonymous

    to shiv

    can you please post more cockpit pictures of mig35 like working MFDs

    thanks

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  14. 14

    Anonymous

    to shiv

    also post video your sortie on mig35 ,if u have

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  15. 15

    Anonymous

    MiG is a dead organization! It hasn't had an innovative idea since MFI 1.44… Almost two decades have passed.

    If the IAF buys from MiG, it will only be delaying the innevitable and worse, linking IAF's fate to that of a dead desicating corpse of a company.

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  16. 16

    the terminator

    Even the Russians know that their MIG is dying not because of mainly fiscal problems but of being in a rut too long and not being innovative and competitive with their own competitor such as Sukhoi.

    When the Russians are not inducting the Mig 35, why should India even think of this renovated and rebranded aircraft for its MMRCA role?

    Another thing, it is not prudent to put all our eggs in the same Russian basket. Russians of late have become too greedy and do not practise good business acumen. They are demanding more for less, be it after-sale service, spare parts or even keeping to an agreed delivery schedule.

    It is time for India to move on.

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  17. 17

    Anonymous

    The problem with Russia not anything else but the delays and cost increases. So Mig-35 will lose until and unless Russia changes their attitude towards India and considers it as a priority with trustworthy, straight forward relationship.

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  18. 18

    NJS

    Every country have their own problems in policy / supporting, but most of the indians support russian products , may be they have some weakness in supporting for spares & delivering products . i don't thing their will be problems in transfer of tech in core products .
    apart from that we have IAF base in Tajikistan ,so russian support is needed for it . so we need to consider all things before taking decision in it .
    Our wish is india need to go for 126 nos for mig35 with tot & 80 nos of F-16 (or) f-18 without tot . If this combination works , indian IAF will be most powerfully in asia . we need to speed up this order or need to buy 12 nos Mirage 2000-9( 2nd's) which Qatar has offered us , to stop high depletion in fighter sqd's level .

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  19. 19

    Anonymous

    To Anon@3:12

    There is a difference between License production (Assembly production) and Technology Transfer. Transferring the full technology for only 126 aircraft will be very costly for India. Entire Engineering tools, data software’s need to be transfer and will manufacture in India.

    Just see what happened with the Sukhoi-30 MKI Technology transfer to India. HAL will produce 140 SU-30 MKI in India. Till date all the technology yet not been transferred to India and producing the jets are almost twice costly than bringing the same jets directly from Russia. This is why HAL now importing many SU-30 techs directly from Russia and assembly in India.

    Yes MIG-35 can carry all the missiles and guided bombs which Su-30 MKI carry but all these are in the paper only. Did you see the weapon firing demonstration of MIG-35?

    Now tell me which MIG-35 they are sending for the user trial to the IAF this July? Aircraft having 8 underwing pylons shown in the Paris air-show 2009 or 10 underwing pylons aircraft shown in Aero 2009 in India.

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  20. 20

    Anonymous

    Mig 35 does not make sense. Might as well buy 126 more Su-30 MKI-NG.

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  21. 21

    Anonymous

    F-16IN is the only choice,if US gives all avionics!

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  22. 22

    NJS

    India requested only for 100 % tot in rfp ,but USA will not offer 100 % tot to any country . that's what france offered 100% tot including source code for its software , so india can modify it according to our needs .

    Naturally US fighter jets( export version) will not work against USA & its defense machines , every export version is modified according to its favour .

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  23. 23

    Aravindh

    Do u peoples forget about thrust-vectoring capabilities of mig-35?

    And v all know mig-35 is a upgraded of mig-29k,which IAF already operats

    And also has the choice of having all weapon system that mki has

    v also hav RD33 manufacturing facility and licence for mig 29 upgrads and also some avionics

    so it is wice to hav mig-35's on our part………..

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  24. 24

    Aravindh

    Do u peopls forgot abt mig-35's thrust-vectoring capabilities…?

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  25. 25

    Anonymous

    To Anon@7:08 PM:

    F-16IN is the only choice,if US gives all avionics!
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    why and how F-16 is the only choice?

    There are many problems assoiciated with the US aircraft.
    Some of them are:

    1.USA will never Transfer the sophisticated AESA technology of (APG-80) F-16 and (APG-79) F-18. US congress approval will be needed and there is no hint from US govt.

    2.USA is reluctant of integrating
    3rd party sensors/ tech in their aircrafts. There will be problem with the integration of some sophisticated Indian / Israeli/ foreign sensors in F-16 and F-18; again US congress approval will be needed.

    3.India till date not signed the end-user agreement with the USA. If signed, there will be physical verification of the aircraft time –to-time by the US authorities.

    4.Fighter aircrafts are the backbone of any airforce. Any future Problems with the spare parts / weapons/ integration will have major impact on the operational preparedness of the IAF.

    5. F-16 IN shown to us is actually UAE F-16 Block 60 aircraft. There is no indication for future improvement/ modification of F-16 as F-35 JSF will replace all the US F-16 and F-18 fighters in the near future.

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  26. 26

    Shaurya

    Why are we forgetting that Mig had given a lot of head ache to US in cold war ages.US were coming with one fighter after another just to defeat mig-21. Even f-16 was designed with mig-21 as measuring stick. When f-16 arrived USSR had mig-29. Their fear was visible when they came up with a movie with mig-28(conceptual).
    Why mig failed – due to collapse of USSR and the new government had an affinity with sukhoi corporation(yes corruption). Still f-16 and f-18 were never put to test with skilled pilots of Russia.US wars with Iraq & Israeli wars with middle east(where f-16s were used) is like a war of India vs maldives(sorry for that !!).

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  27. 27

    Anonymous

    To Aravindh@7:50 PM

    IAF are operating MIG-29B-12s not the MIG-29K. MIG-29K is acquired recently by the Indian Navy.

    We will have the License production for the RD-33 Engine and the same Engine is also in the PAF JF-17 thunder aircraft. China can also procure more advance RD-33 MK engines from the Russia any time and the same engine can also be in JF-17 aircraft in the future.

    Thrust-vectoring capabilities are important in the close combat battle but this technology is not necessary (must) clause for the MMRCA project.

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  28. 28

    Anonymous

    Yes MIG-35 can carry all the missiles and guided bombs which Su-30 MKI carry but all these are in the paper only
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    this is what u think not mig

    mig29k is fully certified/capable of carrying all munitions which su30mki carry and so does mig35

    and if you never saw mig35 carrying then its your problem not with mig

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  29. 29

    Anonymous

    At the end of the day the Mig-35 is the weakest of all the competitors. In an A2A battle it would definetly loose to the three front runners Rafale, SH, and EF. Its an average A2G platform. Why should India settle for average when it can buy something so much better like the Rafale. Yeah it costs a lot but they will transfer the tech and source codes. In the long run its worth it, plus it would be the most advanced plane in the region and would have a huge advantage for india in air supremacy if they fought with Pakistan or China

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  30. 30

    anthony

    Great!

    Now if the MiG-35 Fulcrum-F is selected by the Indian Air Force, its expansive MiG fleet would be fattened.

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  31. 31

    NJS

    US will not fully support india , as like russia / france supports india .
    Even russia didn't offer core tech to china like su30 mki , it offered su30 mk2 which slightly inferior to mki .So we can trust russia or france . modified Su30 mki is the only aircraft can carry Brahmas .

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  32. 32

    Anonymous

    To Anon@5:45

    mig29k is fully certified/capable of carrying all munitions which su30mki carry and so does mig35

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    Yes MIG-29K is fuly certified by the MIG of carrying many munitions.MIG-29K is purchased by the Indian Navy for its Maritime missions (operating from the Gorshkov aircraft carrier).

    And, there is the differnce between MIG-29K(using by the Indian Navy and MIG-35(for IAF MMRCA)

    Show me any weapon firing demonstration of the MIG-35 to the Indian Airforce.

    By the way which MIG-35 you are talking about.Aircraft having 8 underwing pylons shown in the Paris air-show 2009 or 10 underwing pylons aircraft shown in Aero 2009 in India!

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  33. 33

    Anonymous

    And, there is the differnce between MIG-29K(using by the Indian Navy and MIG-35(for IAF MMRCA)
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    there is not much difference between mi29kub and mig35 except aesa radar and 500 kg more paylaod capability for mig35

    and if those PGMs for mki are certified for 29k or for that matter IAF mig29 being upgaded then its definitely sure that those are certified mig35

    one can hang even 3 PGM or 2 missiles on a single hardpoint

    and it doesn't matter how many hardpoints an aircraft has,for this you can see gripen NG,rafale pics

    rafale has been shown carrying 3 230kg LGB on single hardpoint

    gripen NG has been shown carrying 2 meteor on single hardpoint or
    2 LGB on single hardpoint

    same can be done in all other aircrafts and let alone gripen or rafale

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  34. 34

    Bobs

    shiv, you look smart in that pic. where was it taken and when ? did you go for a test ride?

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  35. 35

    Anonymous

    To Anon@6:24 pm

    It’s not just the hard-point and the weapon payload capacity but actual capability of the aircraft.

    1.IAF will use the MRCA till 2040. MIG-35 do not have 5th generation avionics design, entire life cycle, from initial implementation through operations and continuous improvement till 2040 is doubtful. Russian Air force presently does not have any intention to purchase any MIG-35 aircraft rather concentrating on fifth generation/next generation Sukhoi fighter. India is only the single customer for the Russian MIG 29K / MIG-35.

    2.MIG-29K fighter is acquired by the Indian Navy as we do not have any other STOL aircraft for the Gorshkov aircraft carrier. Our LCA Tejas is not yet ready for the carrier operation. MIG-29K actual multi-role capability is not yet proven.

    3.After sales support is always an issue with the MIG.

    4.We will have the License production for the RD-33 Engine and the same Engine is also in the PAF JF-17 thunder aircraft. China may procure more advance RD-33 MK engines from the Russia any time and the same engine can be integrated in JF-17 aircraft in the near future.

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  36. 36

    Shiv Aroor

    Bob: I took a flight in the MiG-35 at Zhukovsky air base near Moscow in August 2007.

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  37. 37

    Anonymous

    Folks

    This whole MMRCA is pure and simple eyewash and time pass . The country has already invested in SU 30 MKwhatever and it is a genuine multi role job. What we are looking at is a Mig 21 replacement and in sufficent numbers to provide depth and point air defense . Unfortunately Tejas is a big fraud like our defense establishment and is no where in sight .

    So until there is a find , we should simply enhance with 3 squaderns of the latest Mig 29's and an quivalant number of Mirage 2000 either through second hand purchases and ungradation or by falling at the feet of france and paying through the nose for reopening the line. The Mirages are worth it even now.These should replace the older versions of Mig 21's which cannot be upgraded and fill the gaps left by Mig 23 M's .

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