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  1. 1

    Anonymous

    great column. fully agree with your views. hal is an ostrich with its head in the sand. very sad state of affairs for india.

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    Anonymous

    good column. hal really needs a wake up call. i hope the management reads this column.

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  3. 3

    Rahul Devnath

    There's little to doubt HAL's immaturity in handling sensitive issues, pertaining to public sphere. Let them not sell any more stuff to anybody, else, we are going to loose potential good will as it is.

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  4. 4

    panky

    HAL team return without tast device thats strange

    Probably they want to return all HAL to India or they want an independent investigation

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    Truth for India

    His words: "Why are you interfering? These matters will be resolved. There is no problem."

    Thats why we call them Babu. HAL has so many facilities and manpower but still it's one of the low end aircraft manufacturer in the world, way behind Chinese. Even Pakistan's govt own PAC Kamra with their much lower capabilities and budget did better than HAL.

    Mismanagement leads our PSUs in such a way that with so much money and talents they still far behind. Govt Babus again………

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    Anonymous

    How dare you Shiv to disagree with the HAL guy. There's no problems at all. After all, he is from the same bureaucratic establishment whose head once waved the paper "Indi-chini bhai bhai" and got a royal whooping.

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    Anonymous

    The difference here is that HAL is a PSU whose employees are employed till death.

    Any pvt sector company would be doing a better job at PR cos repeat business depends on having a clean record.

    Another strike for the PSU babus. Way to go.
    Have another tea break and take a nap.

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    Anonymous

    HAL's attitude like that of all govt departments stems from the arcane secrecy mindset continuing since British raj which dictates that the people need to know nothing. RTI bill is not going to change this mindset overnight. Frankly I have no hope from any govt company be it a "navratna". Its easy to be profitable when you have no competition or least you dictate the terms of competition. My bet is on the competitive private sector. In another two decades HAL will be left in the shadow. and no, babus will not change.

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    Anonymous

    Comparing PAC Kamra to HAL, LOL. PAC Kamra couldnt put a screwdriver to a screw without a Chinese holding their hands. The best part or the worst part is that people like Aroor in India, justifiably push for more transparency, but people in Pakistan, who wouldnt even know what that word meant, attempt to use it to attack something, in this case HAL, which their country will never get in a thousand years.

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    Anonymous

    @ truth for india…
    how the hell is PAC better ??
    criticism should have only truth if you want to be taken seriously!!

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    Anonymous

    HAL should be partly privatized to have better result in research , if it still remains govt enterprises the results will show only nightmare effect . so govt need to take steps .

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    Anonymous

    All of the Anti Dhruv lobby in HAL is nothing but a Trajan horse, funded by western countries who donot like India to become self sufficient.
    These babus get paid by HAL but work for some one else. had the same thing happened in China or USSR, they would have been a bullet in their head or at least fired from the job.

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    Anonymous

    Comparing PAC Kamra to HAL. 😆

    PAC Kamra is of the level of Taneja Aerospace, the private company which builds piston engined4 seater planes in India. The only thing that the pakistanis have managed to do is the
    Super Mushak, a laughable design, to train their pilots.

    They even have to bring in some retired french engineers to service their Mirage 3s. Now for the first time in history they are assembling a jet aircraft, the JF-17. And this too with extensive chinese hand holding. The only thing they will be doing is assembling Completely Knocked Down Kits which will be imported from Chengdu, down to the rivets! Even chinese women aircraft assemblers will be teaching the pakistani mards how to assemble the fighter.
    The end result will be a 3.5 generation aircraft, which does not have a radar selected and has not fired an AAM yet. The aircraft was cleared after just a dozen tests. 🙂

    LOL. This is the laughable state of affairs in pakistan.

    Now coming to HAL and its decision to not reply back in the Ecuadorean press now.
    I feel there are times when silence is golden. Slowly the press there will run out of steam, will run out of arguments and gradually the falsehood they've built up will unravel. Commenting now and leading a high power media camapign now will inflame the issue, and cause more trouble to the ecuadorean government and airforce which selected the Dhruv. If the Bofors scandal is anything to go by, although the gun was top class (As is the current bofors offering), the media in india created such a ruckus that Rajiv Gandhi actually lost an election because of this. No one in India bothered to actually see how good the gun was.

    If GOI is keeping quiet, it is because there is experience of how the Bofors issue was carried out in the media, also this government has weathered similar issues like the 123 Nuclear Deal and the K Santhanam TN fizzle issues by keeping mum, let the media tire and then gagging everyone up once they ran out of arguments or their arguments fell flat on their faces.

    This issue will be resolved, with the help of the ecuadorean government, and HAL and Dhruv will come on top. Sometimes it is wiser to cower in the dark like an SDRE, the confrontational approach some suggest is gutsy, and one can have enough guts to sink one's own battleship.

    Unless there is an agenda to reappoint the media managers that HAL decided not to extend the contract with. If HAL wants media managers they will hire local people in Ecuador.

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    Anonymous

    Last Anonymous 9:44 pm

    The best boring post. Please never attempt to confuse us. And, don't use HAL PC for this.

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    Truth for India

    Anon 2:03 PM, Well said. Totallly agree with you. Babus will never change. If the govt try to privatize HAL, Babus will not let them to do this. Same thing happens in every govt own company. If they were promised to be paid the same amount of salary still they don't want to work in a private farm! Guess why!!!!

    Anon 4:08 PM, Please first know how much money Pakistani govt invests in PAC and ow much money GoI invests in HAL. Which facilities they have. Now compare them with their outcomes.

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    Anonymous

    @Anon at 9.44 pm

    That's probably the biggest bullcrap I have read in this blog (even after taking in Vincent). As you said yourself, the media created a ruckus as it was Bofors "scandal" and this is not Dhruv "Scandal". Are you the HAL idiot that Shiv mentioned in his blog?

    Regarding GOI keeping mum on 123 and Santhanam, wonder why?

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    Anonymous

    For HAL to publicly criticize the pilots would be a disaster if it cannot be done without the report…
    It will be immature…
    It will backfire ….will be seen as blaming them without even checking what happened…

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    Anonymous

    Totally agree with anonymous 9:44
    And about privatization bringing better R&D is Bull shit, remember the dhruv was made not with private funds and i believe everyone here agrees its a class product and no the days of 2 punch 1 lunch in HAL are gone, its a thoroughly professional organization now and try and get this into ur mind. shiv, i used to love your blog but in your effort to satisfy a few sick idiots u have done injustice to the quality of your posts so i advice u to visit HAL, speak to the relevant people before making any comments since u might have that privilege unlike other uninformed morons here, had HAL retaliated it would caused more bad publicity than what is already in circulation by the ecuador media and from what i heard, its a country far worse than india when it comes to politics, give it a few days and it will all subside then as anon mentioned Dhruv will emerge the winner
    …A HAL engineer

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    Anonymous

    to anon @ 9.44 pm
    If the Bofors scandal is anything to go by, although the gun was top class (As is the current bofors offering), the media in india created such a ruckus that Rajiv Gandhi actually lost an election because of this. No one in India bothered to actually see how good the gun was.
    Bofors was a good gun but not the best, in testing it came as a runner up or the 2nd best in the list of options INDIA had, the whole mess was created because the approval was done overnight and no explanation was given as to why a 2nd best was chosen over the best one.

    Now coming to the point where the other posters are saying that it is better if HAl keeps quiet and that the whole controversy of Ecuadorian crash would fissile away, is pure BS. For example look at the way the Dassault and Boeing replied back when some reports about their planes came up in media reports, unlike HAL they did not keep quite and it was a correct way of approach unlike the lackadaisical way that the HAL is treating the whole situation.

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    Anonymous

    HAL is not keeping quiet about any thing.
    Please remember that HAL is a government organization. If the government wants to be quiet, HAL will be quiet.
    There is method to this madness, that hot headed jingos sometimes fail to appreciate.

    I agree with HAL keeping mum for now. Let the full report come in, the flight data recorders be deciphered. If there was not parts failure, then HAL will go ahead.

    Please try and remember that everyone is trying to fight a media campaign far far away. There is already a vested interest there because it is a pilot error vs a machinery failure issue. If HAL harps too much on pilot error, its own record gets questioned in the media. The opponents of HAL who lost the contract will pitch in with the media opposed to the contract.

    There is also national politics going on in Ecuador, with the media going into a anti government mode there, apparently corruption has been a long standing issue there. The whole field is murky and dirty politics is being played.
    HAL does not need to dive right in with a loudspeaker in its hands now.

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