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    Parminder Grewal

    Sounds all good but do you really think it makes sense to go for a naval fighter that's not even of the drawing board? I mean I don't think IN would like a situation where the aircraft carriers are ready and the jets are going through testing phases.

    I feel that India may just go in for US equipment for the MMRCA aka the SH. Its a tried and tested plane with a radar comparable to the one on F 35's that'll serve purposes of both Indian AF and navy. I even think the French may pull it off. They are less dependant on other countries for technology(from what Iv read), hence that may help transfer of technology, they are participant to LCA through SNECMA, they are testing a homegrown AESA radar. They did create a huge fracas in Brazil where the govt is backing rafale while the AF wants SH. Then you have the incumbent Russians. Its really anybody's game right now as all of them except the swedes I guess have their own strong points. Besides who knows what's cooking in South Delhi. Personally I feel we should go in for Eurofighter only if HAL is given the chance to be a full design partner in the next generation of planes. We should develop our own programmes and collaborate with the best in the world at the same time.

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    Although an interesting idea to see a Sea Typhoon, but the IN RFI is for around 40 fighters. If the member countries don't go for such a development, why should India fund it?

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    I am really tired of HAL having complete control. Put in some competition, you will see HAL do much better. We should have either Tata's or L&T or Even Mahindra's for that matter be given to take TOT and bulid planes and be accountable. This way they will start doing more R&D Specially if you tell them that Govt will and should support them in export markets.

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    Y does the navy want so many types of aircraft ?

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    Didn't Lockheed Martin offer F-35B to the Indian Navy?

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    The Sea typhoon might be good choice for the iac 1 as it has got good th to wgt ratio.so it can take off from iac and since the navalised LCA will probably be using the Eurojet engine maintenance will be no probs but on cost wise the typhoon would be pricey as lot of design changes are to be done .The rafale would be a good choice as its operational on CATOBAR Charles de gaulle and It can be operated from IAC 2 since its a heavier and CATOBAR .

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    There are only 3 aircraft's worth considering for IN. SH, Mig-35 & F35.

    Since Lockheed is not willing to give us F35 for MMRCA we can kick it out for navy too, because having a single fighter for both IA and IN will reduce the life cycle cost and we can plough those savings back to buy more aircraft's to compensate for our dwindling numbers.

    Also for MCA there is no point going solo on R&D burning our tax payers money. It is like betting the money on a donkey alongside horses(to be read as counting our public sector enterprises ADA & HAL).

    It is time we break our public sector defense companies into small pieces and make them public limited companies so that their management becomes accountable and make them work towards profitability.

    We may have tie up with like minded countries for the medium sized 5th gen aircraft and we should be in the driver seat of the partnership and have others has junior partners.

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    @ latesh

    The naval version of the Rafale is still lighter than the normal EF, also there is no reason Rafale couldn't be used from Gorshkov, or IAC1 via sky-jump.
    It has similar size and MTOW as the Mig 29K, but offers less empty weight and even a better t/w ratio.
    In fact, IN evaluated Rafale and F18SH for Gorshkov, but it was a combined deal with the Mig.


    First of all, the RFI for the navy is not directly linked with MMRCA, so F35 indeed is an option. But if IAF chose a fighter that offers a good naval version, it would offer many advantages for the navy too!
    Commonality in spares and weapons would reduce logistic costs, also a combined deal would make the fighters clearly cheaper, as a separate procurement of just 40 naval fighters.
    Btw, there is no Mig 35 on offer for IN, only for IAF! There won't be a Mig 35K, they will take the same Mig 29Ks and integrate AESA radar, possibly TVC into it. So that offer compared to even a 5. gen fighter will fall waaaaay too short.
    Oh and you forgot the Rafale which will be a frontline in MMRCA as well as the IN RFI, but for IAC2 that won't come before 2018, I still hope for a naval version of Pak Fa/FGFA!

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    Is the PAK-FA also headed for naval service?Su-33 has been retired na.

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    As and when the Russians deliver the PAK-FA to the IAF, they will invariably add a "K" to its name. Just imagine how inline the name would be to its purpose – PAK-FAK

    Ha ha ha ha


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    No actually i meant the IAC 2 will be heavier and larger so two squadrons can easily be assigned .Has anyone thought of india's own super carrier similar to that of the USS NIMITZ class of us.?

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    Mr. Karapswamy…the mig-29K is also not part of the IN deal, we already ordered 29 additional migs and we wont order more. The F-35 wins hands down because of being a generation ahead of all of them. As far i as know the F-35C has been offered and dont eb too supriced even if the Army later gets intersted in the f-35. India was given the option to partner in the f-35 early on but we refused.


    mig-35 isnt also part of the IN contract. The SH will win the MRCA and the f-35 will win the IN competition simply because they are safer bets.

    @ Sancho, IN didnt evaluate the SH or the Rafale, matter of fact till MRCA trials began IN never tested these aircraft. 16 Mig-29K and Gorshkov was a packaged deal since the start and was signed for around 1.2 billion long back but prices increased.

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    to Anon

    Of course they never tested Rafale, or F18SH, because we have no carrier to make tests from. But IN indeed asked Boeing and Dassault for informations about these fighters and if they could be used on Gorshkov:


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