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  1. 1

    Anonymous

    AWESOME! THE BEST NEWS I HAVE READ IN DAYS! CANT WAIT TO SEE THIS BIRD IN IAF COLOURS! AMAZING!!

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  2. 2

    Mr. Ra

    The ultimate for our Air forces. Great development…

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  3. 3

    Anonymous

    Awesome news, this deal will be "Grandmother of all defence" deals that India will have with Russia. Eagerly awaiting to see this bird in IAF asap. Jhakaas

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  4. 4

    Pradeep Dhawan

    will these 250-300 be the 1 seater version or 2 seater version?? any idea shiv…

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  5. 5

    Shiv Aroor

    @Pradeep: The single-seat version is called the PAK-FA. The joint development will be on the twin-seat version, designated FGFA for now. India will obviously buy a mix of both, though the exact numbers of each are not yet clear. Obviously, the Indian Air Force will induct mostly the twin-seat version.

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  6. 6

    Anonymous

    Atlast one concrete news with no speculations like mmrca.

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  7. 7

    Blaze

    Is it that the two seat version offers any tactical advantage since russia is not going for it … and may be the second seat wil make the aircraft larger in size and so will compromise stealth

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  8. 8

    Blaze

    is it not the two seater will be larger in size so not tht stealth and also if russia is not going for two seat version why r we ?

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  9. 9

    Blaze

    is it not the two seater will be larger in size so not tht stealth and also if russia is not going for two seat version why r we ?

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  10. 10

    Manish Kumar

    Perfect Birthday Gift to the IAF who is celebrating its Birthday Tommorow (8th Oct). Our Pilots will be more than pleased on hearing this great news:). Sad for our neighbours:(
    Shiv, can you give us some mind blowing article on IAF tommorow on the occassion of its anniversary. Maybe an interesting story by a retd. IAF personnel? Consider this.

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  11. 11

    Anonymous

    @Blaze,

    Because the indian contribution to the JOINT project will be the second seat. Which will be imported from Great Britian. The good thing is India will finally be number 1 at something.

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  12. 12

    Anonymous

    Best of all news..nothing comes as sweet as Russia 🙂

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  13. 13

    varunn

    xact numbers: 250 total , 175 fgfa, pakfa 75

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  14. 14

    Anonymous

    Do you think this will really kill off the LCA MKxxx?

    Will Kavri be used to power this beast?

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  15. 15

    Anonymous

    IAF prefers 2 seat aircraft since it believes the guy in the back seat should operate all the navigation, fire-control, countermeasures etc..leaving the pilot to focus on flying….this stems from the IAF Su-30 experience.

    It is common for 'large' multi-role fighters to have this approach e.g. F-15E.

    -Vishal

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  16. 16

    Gautam

    Bah. This is two years overdue. Granted, given the AK Antony MoD's track record on speedy decisions(or lack thereof) it was expected, but not signing the agreement back when the PAK-FA was in the design stage means that the design has been finalised without Indian input and now the Russians are developing all the components themselves, even the ones that were originally going to go to India like the fly-by-wire, navigation system, cockpit and mission computer.

    What we are in fact getting is a minor workshare on a DERIVATIVE of the PAK-FA that will be developed only after the PAK-FA reaches IOC, which will take several years. Due to time and money constraints there cannot be any major variation in the Russian design, and in any case all the major components are already Russian and so we are effective shafted as far as developing our indigenous capability is concerned.

    Perhaps it would have been better to just by the F-35 and go for an Israel-type deal for putting our own avionics on it.

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    varunn

    this is the nail in d coffin for mig in mmrca, f16, f18 got naild with the engine n p8 deals, now gripen , rafele n eurofighter left… since the deal is political , usa done russia done europe left

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    Anonymous

    qs to sa-
    russia already developed,flown,tested these super jets.right??
    how india will put herself in the so called developement and manufacture and joint(?) production with russia????
    is it gonna be just a seller-buyer deal or codevelopement like brahmos or mrta?

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    Anonymous

    this is all good and long term…what abt short term,,what happened to artlry how much more delays,,heard that cheen has 18000 piece of it vs our 400 odd,,,what is more important,,does anyone realize

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    Mr. Ra

    Whatever the advanced technologies that India wished to be employed on the first version of PakFa/FGFA but could not get them employed, shall have all the parallel options to be employed on the AMCA or even in to the SU-30MKI or in to the superior versions of PakFa/FGFA.

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  21. 21

    Anonymous

    One can only hope that this plan fares better than the one for CWG.

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  22. 22

    Anonymous

    BBC headline on the matter:

    7 October 2010 Last updated at 08:29 ET

    "India to buy advanced fighter jets from Russia"

    "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11492777"

    i must, however, caution you that bbc does not impress me as a neutral media (specially in recent days). plays lot of games in composing word and headlining.

    – nanovacuum (US)

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    parvas24

    PAK-FA looks neat.. as of now the major stealth of PAK – FA is in the reduced RCS from the front… some tech guys in the IAF would like the twin engines covered similar to the F22 RAPTOR so as to further reduce the heat signatures and make it more stealthy.. also the underbelly of the PAK- FA needs a bit of stealth features like the F22 raptor ..

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    Anonymous

    Source: RIA Novosti
    http://en.rian.ru/news/20101007/160867582.html

    "
    The jointly-produced fifth generation fighter will not be a copy of the existing Sukhoi T-50 prototype ordered for the Russian Air Force, but will be a separate creation, a high-profile source in the Russian delegation in New Delhi said.

    "

    Shiv any idea what this is supposed to mean. Are we in for more twist in the story

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  25. 25

    Abhid-d

    I quite agree with the BBC's headline, "India to BUY advanced fighter jets from Russia"

    Let's face it : there is nothing Indian-made in the FGFA thats worth mentioning. Radar, engine, weapon-systems, stealth design, airframe and avionics are all 100% Russian.

    The oft-repeated mantra of Indian composites 'n' mission computers is stale and not qualified of call it a co-development. Because that's exactly what we've been doing on the Su-30 MKi for 10 years now (not that we're not proud of it). So, whom are we fooling ?

    As though the gigantic Russian aviation industry don't know how to make composites or mission computers…..

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    Gautam

    lawl Like Abhid-D said India doesn't have much to gain from this 'development'. Comparing it to BrahMos is actually a fitting comparison because like this BrahMos also has over 70% imported Russian components with no ToT: Engine, radar seeker, missile segments, fuel etc. DRDO just contributed some guidance software in the so-called '50-50 joint venture'.

    To think some people have the guts to insult the Indian private defence sector based on the fact that they partner up with foreign firms instead of developing 100% indigenous products from scrap.

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  27. 27

    Anonymous

    Abhid-d/Gautam:

    You guys got the idea.

    DRDO, MoD, HAL, they are just milking the treasury and trying to full the population with such antiques as TOT, Joint Development/Venture blah, blah, blah… Think of the amount of insult they are putting on us.

    Look at this deal. Safely north of $30 billion. (250 SU-30MKI @$100 mil each makes it $25 billion). Other than lacing the shoes, where is the build-up of military industrial capacity? How did we loose this opportunity?

    Man, they got some money to burn.

    – nanovacuum (US)

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  28. 28

    Abhid-d

    Gautam, the Indian private sector simply pushes foreign goods by disguising it as a JV between itself and some Israeli/French/US firm. They buy the goods (or produce it under licence in India), and stick their own sticker on it before hawking it to the Indian Armed Forces.

    And Err…Gautam, while what you said about Brahmos is true, its also true that DRDO's guidance and telemetry software on the Brahmos is NO mean achievement either.

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  29. 29

    Abhid-d

    Anonymous @8:01, DRDO is NOT the partner in the FGFA project. HAL is.

    DRDO is making its own AMCA, which is what I think the IAF must procure, instead of more Russian junk (PAK-FA seems like just a souped up Flanker).

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