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30 Comments on "Akash Squadron Ready!!"

Buraidiah
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Buraidiah
8 years 5 months ago

Congrats to DRDO! Still Shiv your comments on AAD are awaited, you can not just escape.

So who is helping in Trishul!… the usual suspect?? Just for Trishul are he has hand in every PIE?

Anyway DRDO has come full circle in adopting the ways of our neighbour- beg- borrow-steal!

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Anonymous
8 years 5 months ago

Idiots….Shiv and the guy above….I was there yesterday when Major made that statement….he was crest-fallen, sad, lacked enthusiasm and spirit when he said that, and appeared as if Akash is being thrust upon the IAF, like Arjun is being thrust on the army….poor IAF, they don know what to do…when asked how mny sqaudrons, Major diplomatically said that ‘one to begin with’…listen guys dont go overboard praising and congratulating the Akash team, as they are dopes and will remain so

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Anonymous
8 years 5 months ago

The Air force has no enthusiasm because there is no chance of a hefty commission from the foreign suppliers in this case.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
8 years 5 months ago
Hmm.. Shiv Aroor..So those tiny sprouts of brain in the upper stories now are blossoming? Now that it has finally dawned on you that what the DRDO is doing is actually ab-initio development and that user has to remain in the loop and work with the developer iteratively for the product to mature; will this simple fact get seared into your head ?.. Wonder if you have actually realized that this development is very different from shopping around in the global arms bazaar, doing some brochure reading, features comparison, price negotiations, the geo politics and making a buy!.. The defense… Read more »
Sandy
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8 years 5 months ago

Second comment seems to be made by a person who lost his commission. If the Major seems to crest-fallen, sad, lacked enthusiasm then his face is alway like. We cannot do anything with that.

If the missile has passed the challenge before it then, there is not reason what so ever to block it’s induction.

If they cannot put in front of it a better challenge then,it’s the falt of themselves which cannot be subcribed to DRDO.

I wonder where these guys come from.

Abhiman
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Abhiman
8 years 5 months ago
Mr. Aroor, a similar series of tests stretching over many days must be done on the Nag missile by the Indian Army. I think it can easily be done, given that Army is not in war-time or state of high alert in years together and given that at any point of time, some tests are always taking place like those of helicopters, Bofors, and Arjun tanks. Buraidiah, the Trishul system has been declared as being completed by the DRDO and the Ministry of Defence, over a year ago. Since that announcement, no development work has taken place on the Trishul.… Read more »
jeet
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jeet
8 years 5 months ago
i spoke to my cousin in the af who witnessed the trials and he is happy with the akash. theres a way to go before production meets the air force requirements, but it will be done..lets see. but its by no means an insignificat achievement. The iaf wants some 7-8 squadrons over the next few years but they are waiting for the mod budgeting over the proportion of m-sams to others. so second comment, please go and get some knowledge and information. idiot journos like you are the bane of india. no matter what india does, fools like you will… Read more »
jeet
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jeet
8 years 5 months ago

burudiah,

there is no “usual suspect” in trishul, i repeat. and the iaf doesnt want the trishul, they want something fancy and autonomous not tied to a radar vehicle, but they might buy a few trishuls if MOD insists coz spyder is delayed.

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Anonymous
8 years 5 months ago

Jeet,

Don’t you think the cousin/Uncle story better suits our neighbour, so please spare us.

Akash team is better!! compared to whom? Arjun and LCA team??

Anyway big congrats to DRDO, without getting into how, where they got the secrets of “success”.

Abhiman
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Abhiman
8 years 5 months ago
jeet, Spyder is actively guided, whereas Trishul is passively guided (by ground radar). The technical problem in Trishul’s guidance that was difficult to perfect fully (despite many successful tests) was the 3-beam guidance mechanism. This mechanism converges the missile towards the target. Spyder is given instructions on the general location and gradient of the target after which it is launched. The in-flight Spyder missile seeks for the target in that direction, predicts its future location and once it comes in its seeker’s range, it homes to it. Trishul’s guidance is very jam-proof as the last beam used is a range… Read more »
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rambo ram
8 years 5 months ago
when a long range SAM becomes sucessfull with its closed radar gudance with the ground radars being in the loop,why cant they implement the same technique for short range SAM trishul? instead of flycatcher ground radar,they can use trishul rajendra radar….may have to start the entire onboard avionics of trishl love all! is the akash tested against a manuevering target? or a slow moving metal drum hung from a parachute? which UAV they might have used? i hope it has not shot down lakshya itself? Any its good news, if AKASH is really a sucess!Kudos to Mr .Prahlada and his… Read more »
Jeet
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Jeet
8 years 5 months ago
Jeet, Don’t you think the cousin/Uncle story better suits our neighbour, so please spare us. Akash team is better!! compared to whom? Arjun and LCA team?? Anyway big congrats to DRDO, without getting into how, where they got the secrets of “success”. 11:37 AM Anon Mofo, my entire family is in the services, we have spent more blood for this country then worthless retards like you have done sitting in front of ur call center computers and talking about defence. get it? there are 3 direct relations in service rite now, with one just hvaing retired from IAF a year… Read more »
Jeet
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Jeet
8 years 5 months ago

and ya, about secrets of success, you journalist dont have anything do you? get an education man..i know what went on in test, u dont, its that simple, including new raj 3 radar and the reliability test personally overseen by IAFF.
u wuldnt know what all that is if it came and kicked you in ur butt.

u fcks only dream of israel and russia and france. but if u were there theyd kick u out cauze u contribute nothing to te economy.

Buraidiah
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Buraidiah
8 years 5 months ago

The slightest of contra opinion than the Ultra Nationalist(yeah they are super patriots), make them so much agitated. Are these DRDO employees? the same conmen who promise MBT(or any systems for that matter) can be built so Cheaply, Indigenously and shortest possible time and then cry of same things money is less raise it X5, critical items are imported, and not to mention development is never ending process stretching into couple of decades to feed themselves to retirement.

Jeet
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Jeet
8 years 5 months ago
burudiah, rhymes with ch**ya do you have any proof of below, or are you using your rear end to talk as usual? >Anyway DRDO has come full circle >in adopting the ways of our >neighbour- beg- borrow-steal! if some idiot makes comments about me and my family i will give 2x back we will come to drdo bacchee or iaf or navy after u can first justify ur above comment or are you one more product of the necropolis of learning JNU with journalistic ambition? bachhe ask Lt Gen Malik in Delhi about how rigourous trials of tank and eqpt… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
8 years 5 months ago
Jeet, anger therapy will help you. Not all journalists are worthless, and not all graduates of JNU are likewise, though many of both are.Similarly, if Anon made a snide comment about your cousin remark then you could have been polite and replied back. Why lose your temper? It serves you no well. Your name calling is unecessary and offensive. Burudiah, Equally, your comments also deserve censure. In your first statement you claimed that DRDO begged borrow and stole from Akash, anyone who has followed that projects tortured development knows that what you have said is false, unless you know something… Read more »
Buraidiah
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Buraidiah
8 years 4 months ago
Jeet,You showed where you are coming from, by getting personal and name calling. Do I have to reply to you? Live in your fantasy world and suck more of the my Tax money. VK Subbu, You brought some insight to the Akash or for that matter DRDO. I more than agree with you about the scientific and engineering talent as am product of the same. Why did I used “conmen” in describing DRDO is every project launced by DRDO, be it MBT, LCA, Nag etc, is done without proper evaluation of necessry capability, timeline or budject. Take any of the… Read more »
Buraidiah
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Buraidiah
8 years 4 months ago
>>Unless you were unaware, perhaps you missed the news about the Arjun having come of age by commentators such as Ajai Shukla. Perhaps you missed Ajay shukla clarification here: #The driver says it’s a world class tank. (NOTE: the driver says it… that’s a viewpoint. Nitwits who don’t understand reportage perhaps have a problem understanding the difference between what a reporter says and a view expressed by someone else). #The officer in charge of the project says (NOTE: I don’t say it… he does) that he thinks the Arjun is better and he hope for a level playing field in… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
8 years 4 months ago

braidiah,

No one here consumes any of the tax rupees you give to the govt of Pakistan. As for the lies you spread here, wont it be be better to throw them around in your fav paki forums?


concerned citizen

Buraidiah
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Buraidiah
8 years 4 months ago

So now DRDO crtics are elevated from psudo-secular, Commie to Pakis!!!

Just shows acceptance of the shortcoming of DRDO, but fear acknowledging at the same time.

Anon,

I would have liked you countered the facts I mentioned, with what you assume, rather than hiding behind cruthes of name-calling.

Buraidiah

Abhiman
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Abhiman
8 years 4 months ago
Buraidiah, tracks for Arjun and the gunner’s main sight are being developed indigenously for that batch of tanks, that shall be ordered after the 124 have been delivered. Also, as we have discussed before in the context of a “scathing” news report by Mr. Rahul Bedi, the T-90S tanks also have problems in targetting, laser ranging, overheating and improper shells. Thus, its preference over the Arjun is unclear. Regarding the Tejas, BAE exited the program sometime in 1985 itself. Dassault did not design the Tejas in the actual sense of the term, but gave the Problem Definition (PD) document only… Read more »
Abhiman
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Abhiman
8 years 4 months ago

To my previous post I may add the following reference from the Times of India, titled, “Autolay software makes ADA a global leader”. It highlights the names of top US companies which ADA beat in the Airbus tender for composite software.

Thank you.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
8 years 4 months ago
Subbu, All DRDO project are mere integration of mature technologies, which DRDO failing miserably again and again. Arjun and LCA being prime example. I dont know where you get your information from son, but you need to start working in the industry before coming up with such nonsense! I worked on Akash and if it was mature, please pass me whatever you were smoking?! it was nothing like mature, we did everything in india from the command guidance to warhead design. In fact, the one core technology apart from layout that we borrowed from the sa-6 went so wrong and… Read more »
VK Subramaniam
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VK Subramaniam
8 years 4 months ago

Is there something wrong with this stupid software? it wont let me login, and when I write my name in the nickname field it doesnt appear.

VK Subbu

Anonymous
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Anonymous
8 years 4 months ago
Perhaps you missed Ajay shukla clarification here: #The driver says it’s a world class tank. (NOTE: the driver says it… that’s a viewpoint. Nitwits who don’t understand reportage perhaps have a problem understanding the difference between what a reporter says and a view expressed by someone else). #The officer in charge of the project says (NOTE: I don’t say it… he does) that he thinks the Arjun is better and he hope for a level playing field in the trials. No I didnt miss it. Perhaps you missed Ajai Shuklas article following the above in which he states that the… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
8 years 4 months ago
And though I promised myself that I wouldnt reply further, here is one last statement: If they had completed even a single “noticible” “indigenous” project without cots and heavy consultancy, I would never had used conmen. I severely doubt you have the professional experience to understand R&d, Buradiah. The company I presently work for has spent 1.2 crores over the past two years reengineering one of our flagship products to use COTS and we have asked and got every consultant we could afford to vet our redesign. If DRDO uses COTS and consultancy, finally someone got brains rather than reinventing… Read more »
Buraidiah
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Buraidiah
8 years 4 months ago
Buraidiah, tracks for Arjun and the gunner’s main sight are being developed indigenously for that batch of tanks, that shall be ordered after the 124 have been delivered, Abhiman, I appreciate your patiance and hope even after 30 years of launcing the Arjun project. But, seriously if they have unable to come up with tracks in the last 30 years, what are the chances of coming in few years? Remember that 124 tank order was placed in 2000 and till now only 14 tanks are manufactured… so how long do you think the remaining tanks will be produced…if ever!! Regarding… Read more »
Buraidiah
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Buraidiah
8 years 4 months ago
The inclinations to shout down ANY semblence of criticism, particularly to the holy cow of DRDO is now legendary. I always wonder, how come Anti- Tank missile is not developed(SINCE 1960!!!) but BMD is succeffly developed in record time by DRDO!!! Subbu, You gave very interesting example of PT-91. Belive me I was also thinking of the same…….India licence produced T-72 like poland but never built on it like the polish did. Shame on DRDO that to upgrade our T-72, we have to fall back on the poland, not to mention import of ARV vehicle based on T-72!!! What is… Read more »
Abhiman
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Abhiman
8 years 4 months ago
Buradiah, the main sight and tracks project for the Arjun tank were launched in the last 7-8 years ago only, and not 30 years ago since the project’s inception. The Arjun tank that was envisaged 30 years ago (110 mm gun with no GPS, no computers and no Laser or thermal imaging), was completely different from the Arjun of today. In my view, it is in its 3rd generation now.DRDO indigenized its technologies gradually over 30 years. As we discussed earlier, as per a report by Rahul Bedi for CNN-IBN and posted on the comments’ section of Mr. Aroor’s blog… Read more »
Buraidiah
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Buraidiah
8 years 4 months ago
the main sight and tracks project for the Arjun tank were launched in the last 7-8 years ago only, and not 30 years ago since the project’s inception. I did not noticed this gem, In 2000 Army ordered 124 ArjunMBT, Am i to belive that Tracks and Sights R&D started during that time?? What were they smoking all those 30 years. Oh, there is more to chew, The Arjun tank that was envisaged 30 years ago (110 mm gun with no GPS, no computers and no Laser or thermal imaging), was completely different from the Arjun of today. In my… Read more »
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