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44 Comments on "MMRCA Part 2 – The Swedish Underdog"

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6 years 10 months ago

The first picture is good for marketing but not realistic at all.
How far can the plane go with such a (ridiculous) payload ? And it will be intercepted even before it can reach the target area.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 months ago

Shiv Nice articles. Am a fan of this blog and i make it a point to visit the blog atleast once a day. Kudos to you…

In betn waiting for the detailed Tejas report that you were supposed to post.

rahulka
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6 years 10 months ago

where is your promised LCA update?

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

Political considerations aside do you have no knoledge of the technical status of this option. What about the AESA radar? The Vixen 1000ES, the radar chosen for Gripen NG after Thales backed off is yet to start development.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 months ago

An excellent series shiv.

One more aspect of gripen being very similar to tejas may go against it.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 months ago

Wow, the first picture looks nice. Its way too loaded though. Probably a 150 mile radius range loaded like this.

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

Unfortunately, the Gripen's weaknesses are many.

And then you didn't point out a single "weakness". ROFL. All the alleged "weaknesses" are just desi political drama, nothing Saab can do about that.

Technically, the aircraft is strong. It is also similar to Tejas, this will help HAL to benchmark its manufactuing capacity and quality against western platform. If the quality of फिरंगी Gripen is similar to HAL built Tejas, it will remove a huge stigma from desi manufacturing.

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6 years 10 months ago

Unfortunately, the Gripen's weaknesses are many.

And then you couldn't point out a single "weakness". ROFL. All the alleged "weaknesses" are just desi political drama, nothing Saab or any manufacturer can do about that. Bofors is irrelevant, this is 2009 and you are dealing with a different company.

Technically, the aircraft is strong. It is also similar to Tejas, this will help HAL to benchmark its manufactuing capacity and quality against western platform. If the quality of फिरंगी Gripen is similar to HAL built Tejas, it will remove a huge stigma from desi manufacturing.

Vin
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Vin
6 years 10 months ago

Throw SAAB out of race as they are supplying AWACS system to Pakis…

Tejaswy
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6 years 10 months ago

Seems like a lot of Tejas fans are waiting for the Tejas report.

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

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Throw SAAB out of race as they are supplying AWACS system to Pakis…
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Well said vin dude

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 months ago

cant trust the swedes. Ericsson was taken as consultant for one important project.Other than yes,no alright ,they never gave anything meaningful.! The project has since been declared a failure and sucessfully closed! so much for our incompetence!

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Anonymous
6 years 10 months ago

Throw SAAB out of race as they are supplying AWACS system to Pakis…

Then that means throw US out also, since they have been gifting Pakistan all kind of weapons, and nurturing them as an 'attack dog' against India.

Exclude Russians too, they sold Pakis some choppers.

Exclude France too, they sold them some Mirages and sensors in the past.

Throw out everyone, Vin The Genius will make an aircraft for IAF himself in his garage.

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6 years 10 months ago
The biggest factor to be considered is: Single Engine vs. Twin Engine. Amongst the shortlisted aircraft, the F-16 IN, and Gripen NG belong to the single engine category and the F/A-18 IN, MiG-35, Rafale and the Eurofighter belong to the twin engine category. In assessing the defense posture impact of single engine versus twin engine, it should be noted that twin engine aircraft historically provide greater safety, launch/mission reliability and survivability in both peace and during operations. This is substantiated by a study conducted by the US Air Force which examined F-16 and F-15 accidents over a six year period.… Read more »
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Anonymous
6 years 10 months ago

The only weakness is the political congress-sweden angle? Must be a stunner of a plane then.

@Vin : Do we rule out Lockheed Martin as they supplied F16 to Pakistan?

ABHINABA
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6 years 10 months ago

Till so far only two MMRCA contenders achieved the supercruising ability & Gripen NG is the only single engined 4.5 gen. fighter that has this ability. In future aerial warfare supercrusing is needed & as we are thinking about to retain our MMRCA for 40 years we need a fighter that has bright prospects of future & also supportable for LCA MK2 development.So, in my thought F-18E/F Super Hornet & Eurofighter Typhoon are the best choice.

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6 years 10 months ago
The Gripen NG is likely to have the lowest per unit price and the lowest life cycle cost. That is the USP of the jet. The problem for Gripen is in showcasing new technologies on the NG prototype when they bring it here. Sure they have the Selex Vixen but its still in a preliminary state of flight test. That isnt to say it wont be fully developed by the time the MRCA contract fructifies. The Gripen, in my opinion, is the best jet here. Super-cruise, a swash-plate ASEA, low costs, quick turn-around capability and possibly the most advanced data-link… Read more »
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Anonymous
6 years 10 months ago
India needs to acquire 126+ aircraft because it needs to phase out the old Mig-21 aircraft (around 15 squad) from the Indian Airforce. To achieve this India need around 300 airframes to phase out the entire MIG-21 aircraft.LCA (Tejas) suppose to phase out the entire Mig-21s but as it was so delayed that India have to issue a global tender to acquire 126 aircraft from the foreign company.Initialy India looks to the French Mirage 2000 V (2000-5 MK2) aircraft to phase out the MIG -21, but later issue a global tender to acquire much more advance capable aircraft. India needs… Read more »
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6 years 10 months ago
@ShivAs far i know Sweden's defense policy is "we will sell u weapons but u cant use them in any kind of war".Are they kidding??What are we supposed to do with Gripen….put them museum,schools or universities.My serious goes like this1.F-16IN–>>don't buy anything that has US tag attached with it.2.F-18 e/f–>>same reason as above3.Gripen NG–>>Why did they sell awe&c to Porkistan???4.Rafale–>>No meteor till 2017 still its better than anything from US.5.EF–>>Forget about logistics and training.What EF offers is simply incredible.Nothing beats it in its category.Pakis and Chinkis simply can't withstand it.No US here.So no strings attached.6.Mig-35–>>What are we going to with… Read more »
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6 years 10 months ago

As far i know Sweden's defense policy is "we will sell u weapons but u cant use them in any kind of war"
It is nice of you to admit your ignorace. Saab's representative has already clarified on this BS during Aero India show, and besides it is up to IAF to stock up spares anyway.

3.Gripen NG–>>Why did they sell awe&c to Porkistan???

Money. Just like France et al. USA sells not for money but to keep India in check. It's not personal, love.

Eurofighter is a four nation sanction regime mess. Both Rafale and Gripen are better.

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

@Anon 4.30
And u are a dumba$$ to believe what they said.Tell me what's so indpendent about their a/c.What about american parts in it??

I simply don't give a damn whether EF is made by 4,5 or 1000 countries but believe me it's better than anything american.

How come u say Gripen is better??It doesn't have range and payload to be used effectively against Pakistan let alone China.Mind u…we are not talking a point-based fighter rather a true multi-role a/c.

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

.Mig-35–>>What are we going to with only 8 hard-points??This is supposed to be a multi-role a/c…is it??i dont think so.
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have u ever seen how many 500 kg LGB rafale/typhoon carry at one time

its no more than 6 and a
litening 2 pod on centre line hardpoint +2 WVR this is what typhoon carry

and rafale never carry weapons on wet hard points on wings

mig35 has 10 hardpoints not 8
it can carry 6 500kg LGB +2 wvr on wings and litening pod on air intake hardpoint and fuel tank on centre line hardpoint

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6 years 10 months ago
To Anon 2:48 PM: 3.Gripen NG–>>Why did they sell awe&c to Porkistan??? Dear,Everyone want to increase its Business. For example: France sold Agosta 90 B class submarine to Pakistan and same submarine was not provided to India. Instead they gave India Scorpene Submarine.Now they are offering Pakistan with a new submarine known as "super scorpene" i.e name derivated as Marlin Submarine.So as per your comment, then India must not buy Rafale from France, right! Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen are indeed very good 4.5 generation fighter aircrafts but cost of Rafale and typhoon is very high and out of India's budget.… Read more »
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6 years 10 months ago
Tell me what's so indpendent about their a/c.What about american parts in it??So, because Gripen-NG MKI might have a few US parts, it is better to reject it and buy aircrafts which have even more US parts. Nice "logic". It doesn't have range and payload to be used effectively against Pakistan let alone China.Mind u…we are not talking a point-based fighter rather a true multi-role a/c.We will never fight Pakistan. We both know it. Pakistan has already provoked us many times, we never do anything except indulge in ineffectual diplospeak BS. Pakistan is US' agent anyway, no one in India… Read more »
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6 years 10 months ago

To Shiv Aroor:

I do not agree with the weakness that you have mentioned with the Gripen fighter.

If Indian Govt. will not accept the Gripen fighter because of the famous Bofors issue, then why they have issued, RFP to SAAB Int'l.

Meanwhile SAAB is not marketing Gripen fighter but Gripen is marketing by Gripen Int'l, a JV between BAE Systems and SAAB.

You have not mentioned any weakness of Gripen on the Technical part.
Indian Airforce will purchase only aircraft which meet its operational requirement.

cane-an
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cane-an
6 years 10 months ago

Hi Shiv,
Eagerly waiting for your LCA update…

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

its true that we will never fight pakis and still want to acquire MRCA when we can acquire 50-60 mki which can fill the gap for sure

and no MRCA going to save us from paki ballistic missiles not even MRSAM

NJS
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6 years 10 months ago
Gripen is very good machine , which suits Indian condition , if we get full TOT it could be best choice , but we need to consider russian mig-35 which has more powerful weapons (longer range AAM's missiles nearly 160 km ). F-16 & F-18 didn't offered us 100% TOT . To have edge with bot china /pakistan , India need to select both MIG-35 & F-16 sufa. 126 nos mig35 with tot & may be 80 nos f-16 with out tot( can get the tech for US weapons )this can stop fighter deplections in IAF sqn's . f-16 will… Read more »
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6 years 10 months ago
To Anon 5:12 PM:How come u say Gripen is better??It doesn't have range and payload to be used effectively against Pakistan let alone China.Mind u…we are not talking a point-based fighter rather a true multi-role a/c.——————————— MRCA stands for Medium Role Combat aircraft.India already have heavier aircraft like Sukhoi-30 MKI which has Multi role capability. India need the lighter aircraft so issues MRCA, which will phase out the old MIG-21 aircraft along with Tejas MK-2 aircraft. Gripen IN offered to India has a internal fuel capacity increased by 40%, which will increase ferry range to 4,070 km (2,200 nmi). The… Read more »
Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

@Anon
And what do we have except a prototype.

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

@Anon
But that pics Gripen will be having only 10 hard-points.Where did u get that figure of 12??To be frank if there are no strings attached with f-18e/f, it's a beast and a bomb truck.

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Suyash
6 years 10 months ago
Anon @ 2:48 pm: Forget about logistics and training.What EF offers is simply incredible.Nothing beats it in its category Anon @ 5:12 pm: I simply don't give a damn whether EF is made by 4,5 or 1000 countries but believe me it's better than anything american. The Eurofighter's ground attack capabilities are still *very* basic, and were added only as an afterthought. It's an out-and-out A2A fighter. If you had been following the MRCA saga since 2001, you would have realised that the requirement is for an aircraft that will primarily be used in the ground attack role. It will… Read more »
Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

Indian Airforce will purchase only aircraft which meet its operational requirement.
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u r wrong about requirements

only that aircraft will be purchased which meets the requirements of mantires,secreteries,middlemen who asks air force?

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

To be frank if there are no strings attached with f-18e/f, it's a beast and a bomb truck
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just BS

and what about rafale which carry more payload

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago
To Anon@8:02 PM: 1.Just don’t look what is there in the picture, try to see the content of the actual capabilities of the Gripen IN given by the SAAB int’l to the IAF. 2.To be frank if there are no strings attached with f-18e/f, it's a beast and a bomb truck.——————————- Dear, There are many strings attached with any US Fighter aircrafts say F-16 or F-18. It’s Boeing which says about the Technology transfer to India not the US Congress. F-18, if selected by India will also have to approve by the US congress. There is a major problem with… Read more »
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6 years 10 months ago

Some people above are harping about how expensive the EF and Rafale are even though they are the two best options for India. If India couldn't afford either one of them like some people suggest then why were they allowed to compete. The 10 billion dollars is just a figure that most people use its not the real contract value. India can obviously afford them otherwise they wouldn't be here.
Also the Su-30MKI's RCS is way too high!! for it to be considered a true air dominance fighter like the EF.

Dave
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6 years 10 months ago
I noticed 2 weaknesses being listed and both of them political. The first one I totally agree with but the "bofors ghost" weakness is not a factor. In fact the Indian military has bought several SAAB systems in the recent months including self-protection systems to Dhruv and T-90. A number of maritime surveillence systems was also bought from the Swedish Space corportation. The bofors issue was long ago and not connected to the SAAB company. The Gripen IN is practically custom built for India and is the only of the contenders that has a 5th generation avionics design, not just… Read more »
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6 years 10 months ago
To Anon@2:00 AM: The 10 billion dollars is just a figure that most people use its not the real contract value. India can obviously afford them otherwise they wouldn't be here.———————————– They are here because of the polticial problems.Yes actual figure may go little high but problem will be there. UAE is close to purchase 60 Dassult RAFALE with a cost of around 10 billion Euro. With the same cost if u compare for Indian RAFALE then 126 aircraft will cost around 20 billion Euro (which is around Rs 1,35,000 crore). Are you sure India ready to spend Rs 1,35,000… Read more »
Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

I doubt the new gripen can supercruise with any meaningful payload (when the gripen ng demonstrated supercruise it was with a clean aircraft above Sweden)

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

To Anon@8:00 PM

Gripen Demo has achieved the supercruise speed of Mach 1.2 without using the afterburner and with 2 Air-to Air missiles. More test are going on with more weapon payload and on higher Altitude.

By the way,Supercruise cabability are not the necessary (must)clause in the RPF (MMRCA) project.

anthony
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6 years 10 months ago

The Gripen is good, but still far from ideal for India.

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

How can we forget how Swedes stopped supplying ammo for Howitzers during Kargil and Israeli helped us out. Actually swedes should write and not under there weapons "For peacetime only, not to be used in war". It would be same like be J-10 from Chinese………..

Atle
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Atle
6 years 10 months ago

It is not true. Sweden never denied any deliveries during Kharhil. The only blockades has been imposed from India.

Anonymous
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6 years 10 months ago

The Gripen NG is projected to supercruise with 4 air to air missiles. This may well be demonstrated to the Indian Air Force during the trials when the NG prototype is flown across

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