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81 Comments on "EXCLUSIVE: India’s Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT)"

Avi
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6 years 10 days ago

after all the drama staring arjun, now the army wants the hole world in a box…:), Indian version of star wars

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Man that's one long wish list!!! Did they set a target date for it?? I didn't anything on there that didn't seem CAPABLE of NOT doing, as most of the stuff they want exists in other countries. The Hyperbar tranny, and the terrain hugging suspension seems like they might take up all the time, along with well some stealth technolgies and getting the proper range of the missiles, but other than that a VERY FEASIBLE project!!!
Now how much of this is Brouchuritis?? Who knows, seems like IA own's requirements + some copy paste GOD SPEED DRDO!!!!

Anjaneya
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6 years 10 days ago

the army wants a hybrid electric tank AND a hybrid diesel-turbine powerpack? what the heck? does it mean they want diesel, electric and turbine power in the FMBT?
to answer their wishlist, bramha himself has to come.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

No VTOL capability? 🙂

And why is it that T90, which has all of these flaws (such as 'complete lack of signature management in Arjun') and then some, has been ordered in the 1500s and Arjun has to do with a piddly 124 order?

The T90 acquisition is shaping up as the biggest scam in the Indian Army history.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago
Usual list of crazy requirements dreamt up by an Army col after a night with Johnny Walker and a copy of Janes. Many of these so called advanced features can be implemented on the Arjun via improvements, eg APS and soft kill systems, signature management – but the Army wont even order more than 124. Seriously, the Army needs to do something about the kind of people it inducts and their utter lack of understanding of the basics of product development. They routinely ask for the moon via exaggerated, imaginative wish lists like you mentioned, and then proceed to browbeat… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

This wishlist is a pie in the sky khayali pulao (one step beyond brochureitis/best of brochure approach!!), that has no correlation with existing technology, industrial or scientific capability

Marcus
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Marcus
6 years 10 days ago

what are these guys smoking?

Abhiman
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Abhiman
6 years 10 days ago

The T90 acquisition is shaping up as the biggest scam in the Indian Army history.

Absolutely no doubt about that. The T-90 scandal is magnitudes bigger than Bofors. The only difference is, that this time instead of a political party, the perpetrators are the Army — which the ordinary public regards as a Holy cow, not to be touched.

Abraham
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Abraham
6 years 10 days ago
I think this is historic and shows India moving away from followers to leaders. True leadership style To Anjaneya.. I work for a large Construction Equip Co. which is the leader in Diesel-Elec hybrid drive for heavy duty app. The Diesel Engine of such hybrids are much smaller as they only need to run withing a narrower range. So wether it is a rotary turbine or a reciprocating engine, the engine would be smaller compared to diesel only. The issue is going to be integration of turbine to reciproc engine. This would be where DRDO will have to cut a… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Target date for it,is 2050

Chandan
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6 years 10 days ago

The boy has asked for a very expensive n imported candy from the daddy …

They forgot to specify the speed…which should be a minimum of
MACH 2…

The tank should have its own RADAR ..AESA.. preferably…

It also must have the capability to fire BRAHMOS..

Should be capable of AIR to GROUND Refelling…by..IL-78..

Rest i will post later.

GOD knows how DRDO will react…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago
What a load of Bull shit! No wonder DRDO takes 30 years to build a tank. Hey, Indian Army – stop reading brochures and trying to impress Indians. Lasers, ERA, Hybrid Engines, Stealth – Does anyone on the global map have such features yet? These people are hyperventilating. Here is the good news.The Indian Army has to induct Arjun in its present form. India will never be able to manufacture the FMBT – it will have to purchase it – unless we steel ourselves to wait another decade.How much will the FMBT weigh? Why no imformation on the mm of… Read more »
Praetor
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Praetor
6 years 10 days ago

Have anybody CC'd this to the folks at DRDO who are working on MBTs ?? They will crap their pants when they go through the list.

As far as the "hybrid" tank part, I think they don't mean electric! Electric would imply batteries and with all those bells and whistles they are asking for, there's not going to be any place for -"batteries"!!

They forgot to add, para-capability and/or amphibian capabilities to the tanks. As long as they are asking for the impossible, they might as well throw those demands in there with the rest!

Sparsh
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6 years 10 days ago

You people are looking at this wish list from entirely the wrong perspective.

You presume the Army wants a tank out of its FMBT program. It wants no such thing. The FMBT program is designed to be a wild goose chase to keep the DRDO busy developing an unobtainable uber-tank for years to come while the Army keeps on buying its beloved T-90.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Shiv and others ran a hack piece on DRDO, will they now have the guts or balls to take on the Army and show these requirements for what they are, namely gas?
Yeah, but that will take guts, far easier to pick on DRDO babus ..defence journalism in India will have arrived when it starts questioning the fat brass and not just toe their line via motivated leaks

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

they missed to add warp drives to the specs and i almost forgot torpedo launching capability.

Daanish
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6 years 10 days ago

these requirements are more in line with the xk2 tank, than anything else.
As always to ambitious but without ambition we wont get anywhere.

good time to restructure the drdo, this will make a good first project.
This only adds impetus to modernise the industry and develop new technology.

Most of the same accusations were leveled against the tejas also.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Ok, rest of the story…

DRDO agrees to the wishlists and promises to build the tank within 5 years. 5 years down the line, Army has changed the requirements 500 times.

2025: India still imports T-100(repainted T-90).

chex
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chex
6 years 10 days ago

without collaboration with other country…its very tough!!!……pray it wll not take another 30 years……..may be we have to improve arjun mk 1…..make it mature stage by stage..time by time….not like we wll make FMBT with new design, new technology, new this-that…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago
It's not that these capabilities cannot be developed.It can be done. ButIt will take time.So instead of waiting for the final dream tank. The Army and DRDO must work with the objective of acehving the first FMBT=MK1 by 2020 that's within ten years time. So during which time what are the technologies that can be developed and incorporated need to be looked into and the first tank must come without all those requirements. But still it will be a tank that will be superior to anything at that time. The FMBT MK1 must start production by 2020. The next stage… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago
Some of the technologies that will be possible with MK1 variant will be1. A 1500 hp engine as the work on it may be continuing.2. The invisibility part. This may not be 100% invisible, but to the extent possible especially IR suppression paints etc.3.The communication and BMS that goes into Arjun MKII can go into the first lot of FMBT-1. Later on these can be improved with digital electronics etc or if the time permitting and the capability available with us, we can go for fully digital FMBT-1. But the Army must be flexible in this regard to ensure tank… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

The Army must be running out of ideas to be able to only come up with such a short list! Once all these are delivered, what next? Will Army then demand that it travel at Warp 10? And then choose inability of DRDO to meet these 'basic' requirements to finally go with the 'advanced' Russian T-34?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Good posts guys. For even better laughs, just visit BR, where they are laughing their hearts out on these "hallucinating" requirements.

On this blog, the best comments I liked were as follows —

Usual list of crazy requirements dreamt up by an Army col after a night with Johnny Walker and a copy of Janes.

No VTOL capability? 🙂

Should be capable of AIR to GROUND Refelling…by..IL-78..

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Army is deliberately giving a difficult target so as to paint the Arjun in a negative light. Someone high up in the Army desperately wants to belittle the Arjun as far as possible so that corruption in T90 acquisition is not brought to light.

The CBI must be asked to investigate T90 acquisition which may indeed be far bigger than Bofors scam. Let's hope corrupt IA officers didn't sellout just for a tumble in the bed with a cheap phoren whore.

Something needs to be done immediately about the corruption in the armed forces.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Great list, awesome… looks like Army wants DRDO tied up for the next 50 years… Maybe they should float an open competition for that… see how many tank makers in the world respond to that.. and oh yeah.. could probably order more T XX after emphasizing how DRDO could not deliver the next FMBT on time… Great going… these guys wanna fly without even trying to crawl.. great going…

madnar
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6 years 10 days ago

Marcus said…
what are these guys smoking?

Yeah, would like to know what they are smoking !!!
Is this what the Army wants?
What is the time frame ?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

This looks like an essay on tank tech trends. Are you sure this is a requirements document?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

They may as well ask for a flying tank. That would save us $5.8 billion by making C17 import redundant.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

wow..that is one heck of a list…hmm makes me wonder whether the army has been smoking pot…& to develop all these dreams,its gonna cost a HELL LOT OF MONEY…SHIT LOAD OF MONEY…& without buying more arjuns,where the hell are they gonna get so much MONEY????is there any particular time frams or is this gonna take another 30 years before this becomes 'obsolete' to indian army…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

"The ‘Hyberbar’ engine will be able to accelerate from zero to full power at 1,500 hp in 2.8 seconds,"

LOL…are they planning to put the kaveri engine on FMBT?????

devindra sethi
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devindra sethi
6 years 10 days ago
Interesting reading,perhaps the DGMF/Army HQ need to have a chat with the Navy on 'Stealth Warships' and signature suppression,gas turbine prime movers,IFF,LLTV,IR supression etc etc as done for Project17 Frigates and beyond.The homework is all there and left behind in DSR by me when the NSQR's were written for these ships.Gas turbines in tanks are already a proven fact and implemented by the US army.Arjun Mk2 however has merit for if we look at the geography of our likely combat areas they will be hot deserts, cold deserts,coastal semi desert areas.The field trials have shown the Arjun to be a… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Hahahahahahahahahahuahauhuahuahahahahuahauahahahahahahahh……hhh!!!

oohhhh man joke of the century.

They forgot Arch reactor from the Iron Man mvoie.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

the drdo will get an opportunity to give employment to hundreds of scientists who will raise from Sc B to Sc H but will never live to see the tank emerge from their design boards. God bless the DODOs

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

Get the point, why IA needs such a spaceship like tank…….

"While the DRDO is developing those technologies, and get behind schedule, the IA will be forced to buy the next generation of tank from Russia, of which it may again be the launch customer, teething troubles and all. By the time DRDO's FMBT beats the T-XX, IA will be ready with FFMBT specs."

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

IA wants to keep everyone's mind from Tincan scam.

I want to ask an open question to responsible generals, "Desi Arjun may be the worst tank in the world that Indian soldiers cannot even touch but how they went for Tincan-90S which is wose than Arjun!!!"

I had no problem if they bought Leopard2A6, Merkava4, M1A2 or Lecrec!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

For all the people showering praise at DRDO and criticizing the army, I know one thing that, neither have they seen any DRDO facility nor the army's. I request you to stop denigrating the army for god forsaken DRDO. To open your eyes, just visit any DRDO lab, if somebody lets you in.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

What GUN are they going to fit on it, What use is a tank with out a GUN????

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago

The wish list is such that DRDO will never be able to complete in the next 50-60 years and arms agent could continue in business. Some well has managed it quite well. SWEET.

Joel
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Joel
6 years 10 days ago

I think MkII will have a warp core, metaphasic shielding, teleportation (so that the tank can be manned 24/7 as the army men are beamed on and off), plasma infuser, subspace cache (to store ammunition), photon torpedoes, inverted tetryon beams etc. For crew comfort, they would also need a holodeck, a swimming pool, pool table, gambling hall. Cant wait to see this model come out!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 10 days ago
This kind of futuristic goal setting will help us avoid what went wrong with the Arjun in the 1st place. When you don't have a technology, it doesn't matter whether you are trying to develop today's stuff or futuristic stuff. LCA compare it with the Marut. Looking ahead gave us an airframe that is contemporary and unmatched in performance for its mass and the immense number of technologies we have mastered. Compare that with the Arjun where we have only learned yesterday's technology. Remember we are making a tank to fight tomorrow'sbattles not yesterday's. There is no tank development project… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 9 days ago

gr8..lets produce a 10000000 page dossier on what the tank shud have..and then induct crap…gr8….

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 9 days ago

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

NJS
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6 years 9 days ago

DRDO should have JV with other trusted leading players to finish it within deadline , other wise it may take atleast 15 yrs to fulfill .

RainBow
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6 years 9 days ago
Ah yes IA forgot to add the following most critical features of FMBT: 1. Should have jet engines powerfull enough to fly at HYPERSONIC speeds 2. Should carry self launchable satellite killer to disrupt the enemy recce sats (in other words a potent moving, untraceable Anti Sats weapon) 3. Should also have complete invisibility cloak (ala Hari Putter) 4. Should weigh only 500 grams (yes grams). 5. Should be able to fire:Agni I, II, III; Prithivi; Brahmos etc. 6. Should contain a 100sqmts swimming pool with a snack bar. 7. Should have deep sea diving capabilities (to hunt the submarines)… Read more »
Prasanna
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6 years 9 days ago

This is one of the craziest requirements in the history of mankind…

sentinel
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6 years 9 days ago

Shiv….plz stop posting all this BS.Anti Arjun from the the word go.Stealth…eh!

These assholes at AHQ are such dimwits that they have lost track of reality.

A sincere request….please kick the donkey brain…who gave you this piece of shit.

Also stop flying in gripen country and apply some logic before printing this piece of smelly shit.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 9 days ago

technically speaking, these things might sound really heavy, but as someone pointed out, many of them are already in active service or under development. its rather a question whether drdo will be able to deliver in the stipulated time frame within a reasonble budget.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 9 days ago
THATS IT THEY DO NOT WANT A METAL CUTTING HI PRESESSION LONG RANGE LASER OR PHOTON BOMB UTTER RUBBISH THE AMERICANS TRIED SOME THING LIKE THIS ENDED UP GIVING UP THE THEORY OF TANK BATTLE THE NEW THEORY OF AMERICA IS NO TANK FITS THE NEW WAR SENARIO TANKS WILL BE OBSELETE AND IT WILL BE DISTORYED BY MANPADS HELLICOPERS AND WHANT NOT MY HUMBLE REQUEST FOR THE ARMY ASK FOR THINGS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED OR JOINTED VENTURED NOT IMPORTING THE WHOLE TANK WELL WELL WELL I GOT IT GET INTO A JV WITH SOME FORIGEN COUNTRY FILL UP… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
6 years 9 days ago

Oh boy..they want Metal Gear..

Manish Mishra
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6 years 9 days ago

Poor DRDO…

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