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39 Comments on "“LCA Far Ahead Of JF-17 In Contemporary Technology”: IAF Western Commander"

JITHEN
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5 years 7 months ago
I respectfully disagree with Mr Brown with regards to the degree of control the PAF has over the JF17 since its a joint effort with the Chinese. The chinese have nothing to gain by withholding any access codes to the PAF since they are the only customers for the JF17. Regards superiority of LCA over JF17 well that will be known in due time once the LCA has done its time. Being conceived in the 1980s and finally in 2010 a good 30 years down the track the LCA is nearing fulfillment of final IOC with the IAF. The JF17… Read more »
bryan.tenet
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5 years 7 months ago

Good to know that atleast one IAF person is not critisizing the Tejas. Its very early to say if Tejas are superior to JF-17 as both of them are unproven.Only difference is that JF-17 is already inducted.Tejas have been very late but thankfully there has never been any recorded crashes or malfunction.I think its a very positive statement and just the confidence booster the Tejas needed. Go Tejas Go !

deviation blue
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deviation blue
5 years 7 months ago
perhaps Jithen should educate himself about the two projects before passing off opinion as fact ? fact is, the LCA was from day one designed to counter the PAF F-16's, in 2010, it has not only matched that requirement, it has surpassed it. items developed for LCA has already found its place in cutting edge products like the Su-30mki. when the LCA Mk2 is inducted into the IAF, many of its features would be better than those on MRCA's.sure, the LCA took this long and the JF-17 didn't. that's because the JF-17 is all said and done, little more than… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 7 months ago
First of all we can't compare development of Tejas with JF17 as both have been developed for very different purposes. If we have to compare, then JF17 should be compared with SU30MKI, where we collaborated with the Russians to develop a new AC customized for IAF. PAF did something similar with the Chinese for the development of JF17.Primary reason for building Tejas is for India to gain expertise and capabilities in development of state of the art fighter jets whereas JF17 owes its existence to replace obsolete ACs in PAF arsenal at the shortest possible time. This is also the… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 7 months ago
Pak is hoping to upgrade JF-17 with french RDY-3 radar and Mica AAMs. RDY -3 itself is an export varient of RC-400 and is smaller and much less capable to RDY-2. JF-17 therefore even in an upgraded avatar would be less capable than IAF's upgraded Mirage 2000 having RDY-2 or even PAF's own F-16 blk 52. The truth is that Pakistan doesnt have the money to equip JF-17 with expensive avionics. Even the upgrade their F-16s are getting costs more than an entire JF-17.LCA will get the best IAF can afford and will be at least on par with F16… Read more »
BigLulli
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BigLulli
5 years 7 months ago

I'm not sure what in the JF-17 is under the PAF's control. What do you do if you don't have access to codes?

Einstein, would they invested millions without having access to the codes? "oh yaar, we have the super dhamaka islamii Jf-17 thundaaar!!!…..Abdul, codes terre pass hain?" Bloody cock!

I was taught two very important things when I served.
1) Assumption is the mother of all asses.
2) If you need to assume, then assume your enemy knows much more than you.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 7 months ago
I agree with anony @9:27. We needed better engines, looks like we got it with GE414 IN. Need specs of this engine, although my research has taken me to different versions of F414, so leave it to Shiv here. LCA tejas needs weight reduction further, do not know how they are shed beyond 600 KG (removing telemetry equip) here. So ADA needs to figure this out. One more thing is Mk2 from the assorted articles I have read, say that its fuselage and wings will be extended. Considering this, does the extra thrust from the new G414 offset the new… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 7 months ago
It is great to hear that x is better then y. None of you can explain why. Both planes are not top of anything and just look at the weapons, engines and weapons… All bought from third parties. Yeah, I heard about TOT or made by… Putting parts together in a few decades is hardly something to be proud of. If the Indian Tejas is that good then why upgrading the Mirage2000H? Why buying Mig29? Why busy with the fastest deal called MRCA? Let us be realistic. We all love planes but let us keep it clear. Nothing is super.… Read more »
Mr. Ra
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Mr. Ra
5 years 7 months ago

JF-17 is best suited for operations over Waziristan and Pakhtunvwa.

JITHEN
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5 years 7 months ago
@ deviation blue thanks for your insight on my education or lack thereof it. We are all entitled to opinions and these are formed from analysing facts present. With regards to your facts that lca was conceived to take on and beat F16 sure that could be true no harm in having ambitious goals while planning these projects our research agencies have a distinguished record in this arena look no further than the akash project that was meant to surpass patriot system/ Arjun tank meant to surpass m1 abrams/ hs748 AWACS project meant to surpass E3 AWACS and now LCA… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 7 months ago

Got to love the fact you posted a Chinese profile artwork for an Indian jet. Btw, check out that artist's Jf-17 profile.

StarBlue
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StarBlue
5 years 7 months ago
The thuder is causing some sleepless nights. Its sad to see a seriour IAF officier lower himself to this. Maybe it was done to motivate his guys saying, don't worry these are not that good. But the worry is there? The gap will continue to narrow until IAF gets 5th gen PAKFA. Everything else is game for the Thunder. Cheap, aquired in large numbers (250 in 10 sqdns), off bore capability,low RCS, in-flight refuelling, BVR and operating over its own space with AWACS control..you have a an interesting challenge. That is the goal of PAF and it seems that have… Read more »
Subramaniam
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5 years 7 months ago
Hi, In most article I have read, it is stated that LCA was conceived in 1983, and that is correct it was conceived in 1983, and that is all. But the work only started 10 years later around 1992, so the critical development effort is approx. 20 years, not 30 years as stated by many. India did not have center like National Flight Testing Center, and many other the that were needed to develop a fighter jet from scratch. In my opinion, LCA project will not only deliver a capable fighter aircraft, but it has established a framework of goverment… Read more »
StarBlue
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StarBlue
5 years 7 months ago

Seriously how much learning has come as a result of LCA? Considering so many of the systems including the composits are foreign (engine, radar, landing gear, etc…). Do you think we could have had the same learning, by producing more of the MKI, upgrading it, etc? for a less cost?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 7 months ago

well again i have read in articles that LCA doesnt have an high angle of attack.
Hopefuly the F414 engines would help it achieve this.
Regarding JF17 , lets not underestimate that AC.
The problem with us Indians is that we talk a lot and just keep on doing so.
Instead of prematurely trying to compare these 2 AC , we should keep quiet and develop the LCA ASAP.It should be left for the world to decide which aircraft is better.

***But I do have an intution that LCA would be an formidable AC…..****

Gautam
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5 years 7 months ago

The Pakistanis have no hang-ups about importing foreign components and WILL get the best avionics they can afford from the variety of suppliers in the European market. The JF-17 has already proven as a good budget option for a modern figter as seen from the interest shown by other countries. At this point it is at least on par with the LCA; maybe better when you consider it has already been inducted and is being developed further into new variants.

I have no doubt that the eventual Tejas mk.2 will surpass the JF-17, but how long will that take?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 3 months ago
Am I the only one who seems to notice that the JF-17 is a 3rd generation aircraft? Don't believe me? Here are some REPUTABLE sources from Western sites: 1. Flight Global: "Even the Chengdu JF-17 Thunder – an inexpensive aircraft pitched to developing nations such as Pakistan as a third-generation platform – is powered by the Klimov RD-93." (Note they correctly identify the J-20 as 5th gen, and j-10 as 4th gen in the same article):[http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/01/04/351462/long-march-chinas-fifth-generation-fighter-is-years.html] 2. From GlobalSecurity (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/fc-1.htm):Quote: "the owlet dragon/FC-1 airplane had achieved the third generation fighter aircraft synthesis fighting efficiency" Other Sources: 3. Webster's Quotations, Facts… Read more »
satbir
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5 years 3 months ago
Jf has only one datalink which is not secure nor jamproof. The software are written in C++. This makes is more vulnarable to virus and worm attack. As C++ is very famous language the number of people who knows the structure and keys of these language is obviously more. Countries from USA to Russia have made their secret programing language and the structure of these language is known only to top scientist who write the code. Even China and India have their secret programing language. The structure of these language is not known to others hence it is difficult to… Read more »
ani
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ani
5 years 3 months ago
jithen is correct. The LCA is designed by the mother of all agencies: Dept of Rubbish Dev Org. 30 yrs to design and develop an aircraft that the IAF under duress calls 4th gen but frankly thinks is slightly better than the obsolete Mig 21s. The claims of DRDO when it comes to Aakash, Arjun, LCA, Arihant, AWACS/AEW are criminally absurd. This white elephant cannot deliver what it claims. It has exposed the country's defenses. We neither have imports nor what the DRDO produces. It is one thing to be nationalistic, it is another to be ignorant and blind to… Read more »
arslan
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5 years 3 months ago

lolz according to global security jf-7 is better than LCA and second thing is jf-17 is a 4th gen a/c
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/jf-17.htm
any questions??? lolz mister ano naymous

satbir
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5 years 2 months ago

arslan
The blog also says that chinese airforse is also buying it. but that not true. that raise the credibility of that blog, isnt it…. hehe

Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 2 months ago

all ya dum PAKIs. answer this, why your porky/PAKIland went lookin for french avionics on JF-17?

France refused to sell you under US/Indian pressure.

Your slopeheaded chink masters have'nt been able to develop a jet fighter engine for last 30 years and still nowhere near it.

the chink engine, a copy of russian engine conks out in just about 30 hours.

you ain't forgotten your "made in china" communication/media satellite, which went dead in space just in 6 months.

you dum stupid idiotic PAKIs, pick up your beggin' bowl and go beg in the name of taliban

Steven
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5 years 2 months ago
This is a blog and not a place to fight, if you cannot give meaningful inputs then don't post. JF-17 is a clean fighter made by China-Pakistan, the fighter was developed not to compete for world dominiation or a world beating fighter, but it is something that China has developed seeing export market. If you look at the cheapest Multi role fighters made in the world,The americans have F-16 which most of the world is using, and the competetive aircraft is maybe Mig-21 from Russia or Mig-27,The british equivalent is Hawk which is more of a strike aircraft and less… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
5 years 2 months ago

Lets compare it(LCA) with J10, the pride of china

Bodhisatwa
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4 years 11 months ago

My d**k bigger than yours says I….Mine bigger than yours says you….in the end all we both do is piss with it more than anything else….

These comparisons are worthless…Pak cant afford anything else….India developing this to gain experience…..In a war …Sukhois and Mirages will be the primary weapons of choice for India….F 16s, J-series and Mirages again for Pakistan

SmestarZ
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4 years 11 months ago
Dear BodhisatvaThe comparisons are useless as its not just the weapons but the men who wield them and their tacticsYou are right, in event of a war, it will be Sukhoi-30 MKI and Mirages V/s F-16 and J seriies.There are good chances of Pakistan and India using JF-17 and Tejas respectively as it gives firsthand experience about the strengths and weaknesses about the plane and how it behaves in action. Theorotical and Simulation situations do not really help developers to develop the plane.So there is chance that Tejas might at some point be pitted against F-16, JF-17 and J series… Read more »
Fahad
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4 years 11 months ago
why everyone in india is in a state of denial about pakistan inducting a very capable warplane which is being considered a rival of mig29 in market by russians.russian even considered once not to provide engines for jf17.why would they do that if jf17 is such a piece of crap according to you INDIOTS.lca may be a good ac but u cant degrade a potent warplane just to satisfy yourselves.u cant be an expert just by reading few biased articles on the net.paf has always given priority to the quality of aircrafts.your biased comments are not going to do any… Read more »
Nalin Bakshi
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4 years 10 months ago
Well the LCA is India's indeginous while JF17 comes from China. So for one LCA gives india the huge benifit of learning, trying and creating infrastructure for high end hardware. What we have learned and created cannot come any other way. Another important thing is the strategic use of LCA. LCA is not the mainstay aircraft of IAF while JF17 is. In case if India goes to war with Pakistan, Su30MKI, MiG 29s and Mirage2000s would be doing all the lead work where as LCA would be used in more ground strike role, like destroying less important strategic targets like… Read more »
Nalin Bakshi
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4 years 10 months ago

I didn't know that an aircraft could be hacked like that!

One question to Satbir. How do you plant a worm in a fighter plane?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 8 months ago

these r like pawns of chess boards it depends on players how effectively they can use them

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 8 months ago
I hope this can clear some confusion LCA Tejas Falls Short of Earlier Expectations Nov 25, 2010 As India’s homegrown Light Combat Aircraft (LCA Tejas) nears critical initial operational clearance next month, Indian air force officials say the aircraft will fail to meet performance requirements laid down by the service for the limited-profile Mk.1 platform. According to an Indian air force source associated with the long-delayed indigenous fighter program, when the Tejas passes this milestone in December, it still will not be the fighter the air force had agreed to accept for limited squadron service. Performance specifications that the Aeronautical… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 2 months ago

The comments are more interesting than the news :). Anyway, what does one expect the Air Marshall to say? He has to plug for his aircraft. Nothing wrong in it. Pakis and Chinese plug for their plane, why not Indians? Don't give a damn about the JF-17. This is about the LCA.
Some said, lot of equipment in the plane is imported. Only people who have no idea about engineering will say this. Even if everything down to the last screw is imported the most difficult job is integration. Getting that expertise alone is worth it.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 11 months ago

The services do not yet realise that their opposition to Indian products is going to prove very costly. Already their stock with those who spend time on defense matters has sunk to great depths. If they do not mend their ways, we should start new outfits to take care of 'Indian' interests. While importing the shiny toys the services should use only acronyms like IA, IAF etc which could read as Imported ……

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 7 months ago

so many complaints on DRDO!!. I feel it is better than corrupt HAL. Anyway notice that all these govt agencies (including ISRO) have one common thing- all have kerala people. I wonder why others are not interested in these orgs? When we can possibly make our nation free from corruption, influence, or so. To develop a nation we need a strong mind than anything others, do we have it, it measures our today's capability and our future.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 7 months ago

LOL.

JF-17 is a real fighter that has been in production and induction for years now.

LCA Tejas is a hypothetical pipedream that will come into the IAF (if it ever does) only when the PAF would already be inducting their fifth generation stealth fighter under advanced development in China.

End of comparison.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 5 months ago

Lol india is also introducing its stealth fighter pakfa

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 5 days ago

Why China uses very less aircraft and insist Pakistan to buy more. Why 7 countries evaluated and no one purchases even single aircraft. Forget about tejas. What great about jf17 is ..its a copied piece, one can do it easily. Chineeae have much access to Russian aircraft programmer. Not only aircraft, project 77 or MBT al Khalid Pakistan MBT is modified t70 where China transferred entire technology's and infrastructure…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 5 months ago

Lol india is also introducing its stealth fighter pakfa

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