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72 Comments on "Indian Navy Chief Snipes Carrier Tejas"

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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

Good riddance….. Indian Navy should go for Rafale M variants !

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

It smells like Rafale M X)

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

This is what happens when one sector of the tri-forces is given more leverage over the other the ADA should have also focused on the naval variant as the navy is the only one emphasising on indegnisation

An Indian
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An Indian
4 years 3 months ago

Looks..decks are now being cleared for buying..JSF!
There is a buzz about another tender of 80 combat aircraft(40 JSF 35 B or C for NAVY + 40 Surgical Air Strike F-35 A for IAF ) to be floated…i.e. Govt may opt for Gov-Gov deal with US for JSF..like it has done for C-130 , P-8I,WLR,Jalsawa..soon.

If FGFA T-50 matures soon…they too may offer a Naval Stealth version…

Regards,

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

What shame , an independent country which boasts of high tech engineers (iits, recs) cannot produce a jet in 20 yrs? Obviously the engineers are not good enough, or external propoganda and efforts are stifling the prog, I tend to think the former

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

Finally someone is stepping up and saying that the LCA is a load of crap. Need to fire the moron's who milked the country of crores of rupees.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
Bhailog, To be or not to be ?? Please , please remember that :- a ) Tejas is not to be .( I hate myself for saying this but let it rest as far as navy is concerned. b) Let us concentrate as of now on Mig KUB . Mig 29 is a great plane and the order can be increased to 50 and supplemented by Jags and later hamara Rafale. c) Just look at the advantages of standardisation later on . Rafale can replace the Harriers , Jaguars , odd Mig 27's and finally the Mig 29's . d… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

The goverment branches have no fear of loosing job even if their is a huge delay and time and cost over runs. This happands when u have given all money and contract to a single vender.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

ADA , HAL , DRDO, CVRDE, NAL , GTRE all are goverment sectors. And we all know that how goverment sector works. And how much they are reliable on time and cost .

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

Hal failed in lca nal failed in saras and isro failed to put 4t sat in orbit even after 10 years of work all failed psus shame on them

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
The management problem with these programs are known for quite sometime. No one did anything to address that so far. One possible solution is disband DRDO-ADA altogether. Start from decentralized ground-up organization development. Those guys got too comfortable. Tap into available talent from the entire country. They don't have to come, concentrated, from South Indian caste and tribe only. Fire them all. Decentralize initiatives with clear responsibilities. Move facilities out from Bangalore and Hyderabad. Gag order press appearance of all DRDO, ADA and HAL people. Don't sanction any 'pie-in-the-sky' project. Let all of them initiate down to earth and practical… Read more »
avinash
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avinash
4 years 3 months ago

Do what happens in corporate life. Hold folks accountable for the delay, fire them as necessary so that the others get the msg.

Mr Singh
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Mr Singh
4 years 3 months ago

Calling it indigenous programme is like calling Sonia Gandhi indigenous Indian.

Ranjit
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Ranjit
4 years 3 months ago

Just get the Rafale and dispense with this waste of money for an inferior aircraft.

On another note anonymous@1040PM, six spelling mistakes in two sentences is quite pathetic. Go back to school.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
stop wasting public money and hopes…shut this useless ADA and HAL ..all these ppl can do is licence produce..and if at the end of the day we have to import then why waste billions and time on programmes like LCA, it wud hav been much better and cheaper option for India if it had partnered Russia or France in some programme in late 80's as Rafale's wud have been flying by now and we didn't had to suffer losses of human lives and time over run and more importantly jeopardise our national security…had we had 300 rafales in 2008 …I… Read more »
Lander
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4 years 3 months ago
They really should scrap the Tejas program altogether. It doesn't deliver what's promised, it will neither be economical nor an aircraft in which india can fend of foreign enemies. I'd say, India ought to procure the Gripen E/F to replace the Tejas Mk.1 and Mk.2 for the air force. That will give them a cheaper and better aircraft for the money which will give performance close or equal to that of the rafale and still making up for the lighter end of the fighter jets for India. India should scrap the Naval Tejas and cancel their orders for the troubled… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

As an Indian American, I can say this. Most Indians are smart but lazy. Working with Indians in IT, I cannot count the times they have missed deadlines. I don't trust any deadlines anymore. Eventually the task gets done but its never on time. Ever. The chalta hai attitude is why India will always be inferior to China.

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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
@An Indian With the F-35B almost cancelled, and many doubts raised about the F-35C (arrestor hook, delays & costs), it seems unlikely to me that the Indian Air Force/Navy will pick up this airplane.Alternatives ? Russian-made Sukhoi 33/Mig 29 ? I think these are too old designs, and eletronic equipments are supplied by western companies. The two only credible planes are the Rafale M and the F/A 18 Super Hornet. American foreign policy will rule out the Shornet, despite its great capabilities. The Rafale M will offer giant synergies with the ground version (HAL Rafale assembly chain). Industrially speaking, this… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

@Anonymous from France above

Well if you are going to Partner HAL in India, you are going to do biggest mistake in your life.
Its similar to handing over Carla Bruni to Laloo Prasaad Yadav (You should really read about him, He is the greatest man in Indian History, All HAL facilities have his pictures as a role model for their employees )

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
The biggest problem with all Indian defense R&D sector is they don't have a sense of urgency. A 'Do-or-Die' attitude is sorely missing. Many young engineers and scientists lack the 'fire in their belly' attitude. Most are concerned with their pay packets, salary hikes, promotions, post retirement benefits etc, more than their area of research. This is a well known fact. All this is due to the 'selection' process in these organizations. It clearly shows the political administrations inability in setting example of excellence. I would suggest the dumb bureaucrats and politicians to put the armed forces in charge of… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

HAL baadnaam huyi..LCA tere liye…ab zandu balm ghise….LCA tere liye…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
Time for reality checks for some horrendously ignorant people infesting this blog: 1. The LCA has been a reasonable success, as far as the air force variant is concerned. The IAF's Tejas is a potent light fighter with some very good features. Yes, it does not have a fully indigenous engine, avionics (including radar) or weapon systems, but full indigenization (especially considering we will settle for nothing less than the absolute state-of-the-art of international standards) is not a trivial job. In any case, even with 75% indigenization the Tejas saves us a lot of money that we can then use… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
most people are putting emotions before logic. The fact remains that the fighter is a step towards indigenous capacity building and to instill self confidence. We can get better fighters from abroad at high cost but we will be perpetual buyers. I am not defending HAL and i too hate when it is delayed so much. But we have sunk in a lot of money and time. We can easily say scrap the project and buy. but what happens to crores of rupees and time. Instead what ever the delay we should force HAL to roll out a good fighter… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

@perspicacious Anonymous above:

Thank you for the tip, I'll inquire about it ! 😉

Shantanu
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4 years 3 months ago

It's human to make mistakes, but to make mistake and not learn from it is crime. We have brains, we have the might but we dont have the will because no body holds our so called sceintists, engineers and administration responsible. No doubt they are opposing the strong lokpal bill, wid lokpal they have to answer for everything.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
Sad that the Naval chief is making such comments. The Navy is known for innovation, accepting stuff that's not perfect and building upon them to make perfect military gear. They were not known for complaining like the Army and AF. The Navy leaders has shown courage to innovate and induct ships like Godavari, Brahmaputra and today we have the Shivalik class to be followed by the more stealthy P17A class vessels. This is what we expect from our Navy. The Naval Tejas surely is a stepping stone and a learning process. The Mig-29 will be filling the role for time… Read more »
Ram
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4 years 3 months ago

F-35 is way behind the schedule and US has reduced its numbers fro the predicted 1800 to few hundreds. hence it would be impractical to wiat for a bride yet to decide whether she wants to marry or not.
The other option would be the Rafale Naval version. This could further give the govt to negotiate a better price. All said and done an indigenous Naval variant is necessary.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

I appreciate the deveopment of naval tejas. But India should work with UK in developing next generation sea harriers.

Anonymous
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4 years 3 months ago
the RFI for a naval mrca was issued some time back. if a tender is floated in future it is for sure going to take around 5-7 years just for deciding which fighter is actually fit after trials. Then add another 3-4 years to make the roll out we are speaking of a fighter in mid 2020s. Also that time IAC-2 may be around which will make it feasible. Any fighter including Rafale M will have to go this route unless an FMS type is opted which seems unlikely. But if we are going to wait that long there is… Read more »
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the terminator
4 years 3 months ago
It is great to see that we have some very rational, logical and perceptive people such as anon 7:49,4:10 and 3:52 among a whole load of rabid bashers of indigenous effort. I for one do not condone or say the present chalta hai attitude that is prevalent in all our PSUs is the way to go. Those loud-mouthed slinkers in all the PSUs especially HAL, ADA and GTRE should be given a time frame to deliver or to get out. Those found to be delibrately delay the programme should be axed as a message to others who take the taxpayers'… Read more »
shadow
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shadow
4 years 3 months ago

Desk is cleared for Rafale-M:) Anyway better than Tejas naval.

Makapaka
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Makapaka
4 years 3 months ago

To all Gripen lovers: unfortunately the Sea Gripen does not exist and will never exist out of Flight Simulators, so promoting it as an alternative to Sea Tejas is rather hopeless. Btw the same applies to Sea Typhoon…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

Some plain speaking in private is far more effective than sound bites to the media, unless the navy is preparing the ground to ask for some more imported planes. In any case, it is high time we created a new outfit which uses only indigenous platforms. There will be more pressure to deliver if there is no alternative. The services at present only need an excuse to import. This attitude does not portend well for indigenous development.

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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

Is it OK for ADA to comment about the ineptitude of the navy in stopping terrorists from landing in Mumbai, pirates to land in Gujarat, abandoned ships beaching in Mumbai after consuming far far more resources over the the years. Or is it that only the services have the right to wash dirty linen in public ?

Anonymous
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4 years 3 months ago
@shadow 11:31 AM: I cannot believe I will have to repeat everything I just said above at 3:52 AM, but it won't matter anyway; I'm sure you only post your own comments without reading what others with more knowledge have to say. On topic, Rafale-M (requires catapult assist to take off) CANNOT be used by the IN. ALL of our aircraft carriers are STOBAR type. This fact rules out all the other PAPER PLANES mentioned here (namely Sea Gripen, Sea Typhoon, Sea PAKFA/FGFA) as well, even if they existed like the Rafale-M does. IN will acquire a CATOBAR capable carrier… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago
The Naval Chief could just be putting more pressure on the NLCA team. This time it was through a public forum and hence the storm. The LCA too has been through such depressing times and come out on top. Lets not write the NLCA off so soon. I have a basic issue against developing an in house Naval fighter. The carrier forces are decades away from being realized and even when ready will have a much smaller requirement of aircraft compared to the IAF. Our initial effort should have been to get the LCA Mk1 and 2 to FOC and… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

India does not possess CATOBAR setup technology (either steam turbine catapults or electromagnetic catapult systems like the EMALS on the latest under-construction US Ford-class supercarriers and UK Elizabeth-class supercarriers). Even the French had to get the steam catapults on the Charles de Gaulle installed by the Americans. The US is not willing to share this technology with India (at least not without extracting a significant strategic price, I guess) which left us with no option but to go with STOBAR.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

If only indian blogs had objective and factual replies like anon @3:52am. To most of the rest, loose the emotion and offer solutions. Shutting down HAL, firing all and sundry is not one of them.

On another note anon @3:52am I did read somewhere that IAC 2 might just be catobar – then again it may just be bull dust flying around.

Gautam
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4 years 3 months ago
Anon @ 12:59PM, Do you know why the Rafale, F/A-13, F-35C etc use catapults for take off in the first place? BECAUSE THE RUNWAY ON AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER IS TOO SHORT TO TAKE OFF WITH FULL FUEL AND PAYLOAD. That does not mean it is impossible. ANY fixed-wing aircraft can perform STOBAR, albeit at reduced performance. The MiG-29K itself is only able to take off from the Vikramaditya at 2/3rds of its full fuel and payload capacity. In fact LCA is the least suited aircraft in the world for STOBAR because its payload is already small(only 3 tonnes). For carrier… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

disinvest these good for nothing psu's and start pushing forward pvt sector on the lines of american defence industry

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

go for 100 rafale M s scrap this so called lca project and kick out these so called hal nal engineer's they are doing nothing but rueining tax payer,s money and encourage p sector in defence sector hal dodo only built only plastic aero models

Anonymous
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4 years 3 months ago
I hate to say but Admiral's comments only shows that corruption runs pretty deep. What happened to Gorshov, Chakra, and IAC?? Navy just needs to look at itself before commenting on a development projects such as NLCA which we have just started. US has by far the most experience, skilled manpower, and money but they are still struggling with F-35. It just shows that when you try to create something it takes a lot effort and perseverance before you get finally product that is a technological leap (in terms of what country had before). Now NLCA may not be F-35… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 3 months ago

you said:

75% indigenization the Tejas

Do not maro such a poor joke yar !!

Anonymous
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4 years 3 months ago

Anon @ 1245. I'm sure ADA (and the nation for that matter) has the right to complain about the times the Navy has goofed up. What I'd like to see is your comparison about the number of times the Navy (or Army /AF) have got things right for this country vs the same for ADA / HAL / DRDO.

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4 years 3 months ago

As always, crazy swings of opinion. The same guys who were ecstatic about the NP1 rollout PR farce, are now chewing ADA/ HAL for the delays. Keep things in perspective, guys, and chill. Advice for ADA/ DRDO……false promises / untenable timelines make good short term PR, but will always come round and bite you in the behind time after time after time. LEarn your lessons and move on.

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4 years 3 months ago
For those who say LCA is a failure, I say it's not. Before calling it a failure, one must remember that this is the first fighter jet that this current generation of Indians have built or are participating. Yes, Marut was built several decades ago, but the folks who built it are no-longer building anything. LCA has developed infrastructure to build future planes. Even if IAF does not buy them in large numbers, Indians now have learnet how to build one. The next step is how to build something bigger and better. That day too will come. To me LCA… Read more »
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Mr. Ra
4 years 3 months ago

Obviously the prospects of Naval LCA-I are not much brighter, so HAL/ADA may be concentrating more on their Naval LCA Mk-II version. However they should take sincerely the serious comments from the highest official of their end users and especially when the advances have been paid by them.

As India now can not purchase the Timbuktu fighters, so it is pertinent that the real progress and planning in this matter shall be heavily expedited and clarified to the concerned.

Anonymous
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4 years 3 months ago
I have a relative who is a top scientist in the DRDO (and one of the people responsible for the LCAs control laws), and he says that the Tejas is like a body without a soul. The airframe, AFCS software, weapons, and most of the goodies are ready, and theoretically the LCA can out perform the likes of the Gripen and the F-16, in both the land based as well as the naval variants. But the engine and radar have been too much for the Indian agencies to bear, especially because the government is resistant to allowing public-private partnership in… Read more »
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4 years 3 months ago

hahaha,this comments section is amazin..there r people who r criticising HAL, some r defending them some seemingly "more" intelligent ones r trying to keep things balanced…experience it is…hahhahahah and blog owner himself is busy somewhere else…hahha..but tat guy must be having loads of fun..he gets to read so much of entertaining rplys..without actually posting anything…hahhaahh…think abt those tat r rejected ..how much fun he must hav had rading those ….Shiv hasn't posted anything substantial for almost a year now..quite like…sabse tej hahaha

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4 years 3 months ago
@Gautam 7:15 PM: Sorry, you can shout all you like, but that doesn't make you correct or any less ignorant, so first relax and calm down. What you said doesn't even make theoretical sense, let alone practical sense. Your three factual errors in three paragraphs aside, I have some questions for you anyway: 1. What good is a fighter (and why haul it around the oceans on a carrier) if it can't even carry half its payload? 2. "ANY fixed-wing aircraft can perform STOBAR"? Try it with a Boeing 777 or an Airbus A400 and let me know of your… Read more »
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