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41 Comments on "Six Tejas Squadrons By 2022"

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4 years 3 days ago

MOD/IAF/ADA/DRDO… Never learn. Once again they have set a timeline that they probably will not achieve. Given their history, I would rephrase this title as "Six Tejas Squadrons after 2022).

Shiv, thanks for reporting what you know. We appreciate your efforts in sharing the information with the rest of us.

Mr. Ra
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Mr. Ra
4 years 3 days ago

Hurrah! I hope that includes the Tejas Mk2.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago

Arram se DRDO koi jaldi nahi hai… paisa to janta ka hai… apne jeb se kya jata hai.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago

Truly Pathetic ! ! !
6 squadrons in 10 years – not even one squadron per year.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago
Dear Shiv, I am an IAF fighter pilot, thus would like to remain anon. I would like to take you and other bloggers on a short trip down the memory lane. In 1985, we were on a school trip to banglore. Being from a Sainik School, the itineary included defence establishment. We were taken to LCA wing, the ADA had just come into being and the new name was being stenciled around. We were shown a cardbord cutout of the LCA cockpit and given a small brief. Afterall we were school kids. The briefer told us that, by the time… Read more »
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4 years 2 days ago

No match for JF 17
Till 2022 Pakistan will have 200 JF 17 and they will be having just 6 squadren.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago

No match for JF 17
Till 2022 Pakistan will have 200 JF 17 and they will be having just 6 squadren.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago
I feel it would be a good idea to develop LCA to its full potential , it seems there are lot of wasted interest who do not want LCA. Six squadrons in 10 years i would be ashamed. It is high time develop LCA mark 2 in next few months with two prototypes try to get the older version GE 414 engine which may not be the latest IN5S6 and try out the performance by quickly conducting the tests and handing over to IAF so that they can let us know the deficiencies and simultaneously develop an assembly line like… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago
I feel the IAF pilot has no right to blame Dr. Saraswat. He delivered what he promised in missile technology which is his expertise and the country should be proud of him. ADA definitely comes under him and he has some not all the influence on HAL and it is wrong to blame Dr. Saraswat for that. What he did is remarkable and must be appreciated without any Bias. I entirely agree with you Sir there has been considerable delay in LCA and a definite planning and strategy is required with private sector taking some load and helping in some… Read more »
Rohan
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4 years 2 days ago
If they keep this promise at least we can say we completed SOMETHING. Not on time, not in budget, not cutting edge. But at least we can say we finished. There is no one party to blame for this, as the fault lies equally all around. HAL / DRDO / ADA are lead by imbeciles. Anyone more concerned about impressing the Babu's than proudly putting out a good product cannot be trusted to produce. The IAF has always been wishy-washy in its requirements. It has been clear that they would prefer to buy an Off-the Shelf foreign product rather than… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago
Everyone including the IAF is sick and tired of the loud mouths in charge of the LCA programme. The LCA Mk1 is yet to get its FOC. LCA Mk2 is expected to get FOC around 2015 but no substantial work has been done for the Mk2 aircraft. MOD is still banking on HAL to deliver just 6 squadrons in ten years. What sort of shitty production rate is that? It shows MOD has no clout where HAL is concerned. There is no urgency in either HAL or MOD. They are not bothered if IAF have enough fighters to fight a… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago

In the year 1980,when Mrs. Indira Gandhi returned to power,she took the decision to design and develop a light and agile, state of the art fighter aircraft, to be in service in a span of 8 years i.e. in the year 1988!!! Today in 2012 we are still in the LSP stage. After all these years and millions in cash, the IAF will have a 3&1/2 generation ac.

akshay
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akshay
4 years 2 days ago

by 2022… this will be the most outdated of the front line fighter aircraft among our enemies…. real or perceived.. why potentially waste pilots in it?

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Anonymous
4 years 2 days ago
The pilot has a viewpoint and it is partly based on having flown the MiG series and lost a lot of good friends. Can't blame him for having a viewpoint, but it is not necessarily the only one or the only correct viewpoint. Why did we ever acquire the MiG series? That might be the original error. In 1961 the HF 24 was ready. But by then Pakis had the F-104 courtesy America and the only country that could supply us with an affordable plane to counter the F-104 was Russia. The fact is that the IAF has soldiered on… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 1 day ago
Dear friends, I am the IAF pilot who wrote the remarks as anon at 12.25, and I understand that my annonymity is not an issue here but my viewpoint is. I respect all those who countered my submission and humbly accept their criticism. However, I stand by my comments. I would welcome a debate on this issue because the LCA belongs to the citizens of this country who pay for its development, thus in true sense they 'own' this aircraft and they would 'give' it to the IAF. I would respectfully like to conter a few points expressed here and… Read more »
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Abhiman
4 years 1 day ago
Though I empathize with the IAF pilot's angst, I must humbly point out that DRDO/ADA is not entirely responsible for the delays. The delays occurred because of events totally beyond the DRDO's control. In the 1990s, the consultancy contract for the Tejas' digital FBW system was awarded to Lockheed Martin. After the 1998 nuclear tests, our engineers were thrown out of their facilities with the work half-done. Under Dr. Kalam's leadership, the work was completed indigenously and the Tejas flew in Jan 2001. Culprit : Lockheed MartinDelay : 1.5 years Later, in Jan 2004 the IAF woke up from its… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 1 day ago
A) What is the IAF? a guinea pig? Please understand that war is fought with weapons, these have got to be better than the enemy`s weapons. b) The HF 24 was the original widowmaker for the IAF, it was very hastily phased out after 1971, check your history. c) make own weapons…good judgement, keep yourself weaker than say chinese because of HAL/ADA etc…bad idea. Wonder what Timbaktoo will feel if he comes on receiving end of say chinese bombing after they have shot down outdated Tejas with say J-20 etc, He will blame IAF. d) Rather..i say to all patriots..dont… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 1 day ago

Forget about JF-17. The tejas in 2022 will be facing stealthy J-20 which will enter service with PLAF in 2018 and by 2022 several hundreds of those, discounting even the hundreds if not thousands of J-10B. And we all know, China can manufacture them out in numbers just like chinese fortune cookies (may not be so fortunate for the receiving end though).

dashu
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4 years 23 hours ago

mr anonymous above @ 7.50 PM
what are u talking about man ?? you just have to admit that this saraswat fellow is a big mouth , he is such a joke . he is not quick enough to assemble foreign components also ,I hope you might be knowing what are the components am talking about

dashu
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4 years 23 hours ago

One can easily understand from all these big tall claims that DRDO is clearly suffering from low credibility ,alas this fellow mr saraswat doesnt get this and he keep shooting from his mouth rather than showing products

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4 years 19 hours ago
The IAF pilot again….. its good that we are having this discussion, afterall as I said earlier- we all are stakeholder in this effort. The LCA belongs to the people of this country and not the IAF. A little more probity from concerned citizens would bring in accountability from the armed forces and other agencies. My replies to Abhiman.. Sir, I have read LCA development history and have followed its development with keen interest. Beside reading books by authors like AM Philip Rajkumar (The Tejas stoty), I also had the good fortune of working with LCA stalwars- W/C Kotiyal, W/C… Read more »
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4 years 19 hours ago
The pilot continues… The forecast are based on progress review. In case of LCA there are progress reviews conducted weekly, monthly, qtrly and annually, attended by people concerned of varying seniority. Each aspect of the programe is briefed by the subject matter expert. Each team lays down challenges and projected dates for the next milestone. Its usual and sensible, to take the activity that is going to take longest as the projected date of completion (PDC). It is incorrect to make claims that can not be fullfilled, more so after the domain experts have stated otherwise. It is akin to… Read more »
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Abhiman
4 years 1 hour ago
Mr. IAF pilot, thanks for taking the time to reply. It may be a privelege for me. Please also note that in all the delays I mentioned, were UNFORSEEN. DRDO didn't anticipate the nuke test way back in 1987, nor about IAF's sudden requirement in 2004. Uncle Sam too didn't tell DRDO about the sanctions it would impose in the future. May I also add that IAF gave some sort of financial go-ahead to DRDO only in 1993, when it was supposed to come in 1990 (this is as per Rajkumar's book). That's another 3 years of delay. Now totals… Read more »
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Anonymous
4 years 1 hour ago

WE SHOULD LEARN HOW TO STEAL LIKE CHINESE. Reinventing the wheel is all heroic but could be critical mistake.

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3 years 11 months ago
Abhiman, I am currently in the US for some air force work and I see their service chiefs and other 4 star generals criticise their def programs openly, viciously and regularly. So you are wrong there. Secondly, you are again dragging the argument to the past, whereas I had said that, even if we ignore DRDOs omissions in the past (i can live with not blaming DRDO), why make promises now. I am privy to material that clearly states that it is impossible to achieve squadron service this year. In fact by most optimistic forecasts it is possible by june… Read more »
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3 years 11 months ago

The term 'Flying Coffin' was originally used for F-104 phantom of USAF and M-26 mauradar was called 'murderer'.

Still the US didn't go overseas to buy proven planes, they stuck with their own and made them work.

Imagine the hooplah in case a single 'Tejas' crashes. The program may be shelved.

While SAAB Gripen had crashed on a show to prove how wrong its criticizers were. Still the Swedes went ahead with their own aircraft.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 11 months ago

Dear Abhiman,

DRDO is creep, accept it.

Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 11 months ago
I think it has been known for quite a few e=years that HAL can only manufacture 8 Tejas units a year. So, I don't know who made the claim of one Tejas squadron entering service this year. Yes, LSP 7 and LSP 8 can enter service in the IAF this year itself. They may join a newly formed squadron (if that's what is meant ?) I think IAF must have accepted the Tejas after the IoC itself. Did it ask Rafale to undergo all the stringent tests that its making Tejas undergo ? Why take the French word for it… Read more »
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3 years 11 months ago
Point wise reply for Abhiman's post At the outset, pl accept my gratitude for engaging in this debate. I assume that as a concerned citizen, you have a right to ask hard questions. "So, I don't know who made the claim of one Tejas squadron entering service this year."…… the claim was made by Dr Sarsawat, read my post. "Yes, LSP 7 and LSP 8 can enter service in the IAF this year itself. They may join a newly formed squadron" ….. The LSP 7/8 are rigged for testing. They can not get into sqn service, at least not as… Read more »
Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 11 months ago
Mr. pilot, Dr. Saraswat only said that Tejas will be inducted this year. He didn't say one squadron i.e. 18 Tejas units will be inducted this year. He said and I quote, "LCA will be inducted this year in the armed forces where our own squadrons of Air Force will be flying this aircraft," he said. Maybe a new squadron will be formed for Tejas and gradual induction will begin. Just as the Hawk jets began arriving one by one from UK, so will the Tejas. Similarly, the first 2 Typhoons were inducted into the RAF in a newly formed… Read more »
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3 years 11 months ago
Dear Abhiman, The Hawk ac flew for India only after they cleared FOC in UK. The FOC was approved by a team led by G/C Hora. The eventual ferry of first two hawks was delayed substantially till the issues were resolved to the satisfaction of IAF. Thus induction after FOC. Within 6 months of first Hawk arrival, we had 12. All of these flew in the induction ceremony and bagan training young pilots a few weeks later. You very well know that, HAL can not match this timeline. LSP 7/8 will be handed over to ASTE for user trial and… Read more »
Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 11 months ago
Mr. Pilot, the IAF has placed an order for the LSP units (this excludes the 40 jets on order). Now if they're on order, then aren't they meant for eventual induction ? (after all the testing etc.) On other issues it has been reported in the media that Tejas is capable of firing precision guided munitions on designated targets (meaning aim & fire). Thats what the old MiG-23 squads did and the current MiG-27 squads do, right ? I'd also like an answer to this question thats bugging me for quite some time : Why will the first Tejas squadron… Read more »
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3 years 11 months ago

Sulur is near Bangalore and when Tejas a/cs are being flown vigorously by IAF base, in case in problems arise they can easily be sent to Bangalore or the engineers from Bangalore can easily come to sulur to sort out the problems.

In case of Tejas having minor problems based in Leh or Jaisalmare and engineers in Bangalore will be time consuming. Once these are sorted out then North India will be lucky enough to base the pride of nation Tejas.

Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 11 months ago
This is the most ridiculous alibi ever given to house the first squadron at Sulur (it has been dished out earlier too). If that's really the case, then please calculate the distance of ANY Indian airbase from France, where Rafales are manufactured. What will happen when the first 18 jets (produced at France) show problems ? You'll fly them to the nearest French island off the African coast ? PLAF and PAF have lined up their J-10 and JF-17 jets along India's border (J-10 is along Tibetan border and JF-17 is along frontline bases). Only IAF will treat Tejas like… Read more »
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Prodyut
3 years 11 months ago
Abhiman Firstly,the Martin B26 Marauder was not called "the murderer" but "the Baltimore Whore".Why? Because it was made in Baltimore and its wings were so small that it had "no visible means of support". Now about this business of "unforeseen" problems etc The project of creating the MiG 21 replacement in 15 years time was not given to HAL but to an Organization that did not exist,to people who had NEVER designed ANY aeroplane before, with INSISTED Technology that DRDO had NO experience of and NO plant to make the prototypes…. the list can go on but the point is… Read more »
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3 years 11 months ago

It appears that easy availability of imports are negatively influencing the development of indigenous products. The three services of British vintage are not confident of domestic efforts. The nation has no choice if these services do not support domestic efforts. Like our repeated calls for competition to HAL, let us also ask MoD to raise a new force (Indian Marines) which will only use domestic platforms. Competition does no harm.

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3 years 11 months ago

IAF is a part of the Government. Then how come IAF shows all characteristics of a customer and not a partner. How come services people are so concerned about amount spent on domestic development, which is a national priority. If only world class equipment wins wars then with imported equipment we should be able to pulverize the Chinese whose supply lines are more than a thousand KMs away. Let us engage in a debate. There surely will be more light at the end of it. Why not talk about inter service co-ordination ?

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3 years 11 months ago

TKS and Mr Pilot are joining a debate which has been going on without IAF participation. A monopoly service makes many assumptions which are not necessarily accepted by the public. If the monopoly service does not get the hang of public mood, some surprises are around the corner.

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3 years 11 months ago

An Agni V has been tested after several decades of effort. That will be true for any major system. If anybody thinks that a modern plane can be developed in a few years, they are highly ignorant, whether they are from DRDO or from IAF. There will also be some setbacks. That does not mean that the nation gives up on domestic efforts or engages in demoralization of the developers.

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1 year 9 months ago
Trip down the memory lane. I am the 'IAF pilot' in this thread of comments. We engaged in a very spirited arguments with Mr Abhiman, who is a regular commentor on this blog on issues specific to DRDO. We are now nearing end of 2014 and the LCA is nowhere near Sqn service. Our RM has revealed this in the parliament. He also confirmed something that we were arguing in 2012. Jaitley admitted as much in parliament when he declared that HAL's "inadequate production facility" was capable of building only four LCA Mk Is per year, instead of a projected… Read more »
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