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34 Comments on "Dassault Pushes India To Up Rafale Order, India Says ‘Good Wine Takes Time’"

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3 years 10 months ago

Not if it is a Beaujolais…

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

While I love my whisky and to some extent wine. I'm not sure if the FM can compare our defence requirement to wine….that too French!

My advice. Get done with the deal and let the Airforce have it's planes.

For heavens sake, the MMCRA deal is almost 20 years in the making. If I had a son at the time the requirement was rolled out, he would be 18 and eligble to marry.

P.s.: These comments were not written under the influence of wine 🙂

Mr. RA
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Mr. RA
3 years 10 months ago

I think India should not ultimately refrain from the purchase of extra 63 Rafale fighters, so as to maintain the most urgent task of keeping up the numbers of squadrons.

Badri
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3 years 10 months ago

good news… but need to speed-up.

Badri
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3 years 10 months ago

Good News… need to speed-up

Badri
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3 years 10 months ago

good news

Shantanu Dutta
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3 years 10 months ago

Hi, can anyone please share what type of engines would our IAF rafales would b provided with ? M88-3D a thrust vectoring variant of the M88 engine or the M88-4E. Thought thrust vectoring capability was one of the requirement in the selected fighters

Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 10 months ago
This is a DISASTROUS DECISION !! Till when will you keep importing ? Why in Heaven's sake is Tejas Mk-II not being considered ? It is CRIMINAL on the part of MoD and also IAF to sideline the Tejas and go for additional Rafales. God knows how the IAF and MoD are playing into all this ?? Tejas Mk-II must be inducted into the IAF as the next MRCA. It is comparable to gripen-NG and F-16 Block 52. A legislation must be enacted that says that if an indigenous product is under development, it must NOT be substituted by an… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

Very slow procurement policy. We dont know why the foreign minister is involved in giving such statement. Where is the defence minister? Too much of wine drinking hang over.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

IAF should borrow at 2 sq for training and plugging gaps. Then it let the french industry manufacture at 100 of them on double time . While we assemble 26 fighters in hal ,while manufacting mirages of the navy . After that , we should consider manufacturing them , not any sooner.

Dassualt spends more than 20 yrs to iron out the glitches . HAL things it can everything by following the instruction manual.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

Président Hollande (France) come in Februar in India. THat looks good for an order of 189 rafale, because for more transfer technologie, compensation for Dassualt, For information
4 rafale fly 10 hours for an strategic flight from France to Mali, they strike and destroy succesfully target with aasm and gbu, it was a great demosntration, imagine with nuke of 100kt or scalp.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

Abhiman, are you nuts ? No, really. What have you been sniffing, dude?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

All the French have to do is transfer 25% to Maino Madams swiss account. They ought to get in touch with the Swedes and Germans and learn how to sell their stuff to India.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

we will get french scorpene by 2025 & french rafale by 2050.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago
**MOD and Iaf , seems to think that the economic boom is here to stay*** Instead of purchasing 63 aircraft right away. We should buy 63 Mirage with full tot and set up a manufacturing base, then we should begin manufacture of Rafale. While this happens on hand . Hal should start manufacturing modern composite mig 21 bison ,(cheap platforms , with modern weapons are formidable mix )ex cope india2004 Using med/heavy 100 million usd air assets for every day duties is not only expensive but retarded . MOD and Iaf , seems to think that the economic boom is… Read more »
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

Well mirages aren 't in production any more. That was the original requirement but somebody had the great idea of sleeping over it till the line was completly shut down and then to launch the multi yr procesd that we now see….while insisting Hal does everything inspite of what 40 years experience has shown.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

shiv again any news on tejas aoa,spin tests,Gs

Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 10 months ago

Anonymous @ 7:32. I breathe fresh air. What about you ?

I've been following the Tejas closely since the past many years.

Look up its specs against the Gripen-NG, you'll know it matches if not exceeds it in almost all respects.

People like you need education. After a crash-course in common-sense.

Rahul
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Rahul
3 years 10 months ago
15 years ago it was cutting edge, 10 years ago advance, 5 years ago filler and now bin's waste. Why? Just look around, who you think you will be fighting it with? Aren't they J-20, J-31? Buying 4th gen to fight 5th gen after paying such hefty sum, is it any smart? Sensible approach calls for cancelling this deal and diverting sanctioned money for meaningful and fulfilling usage like a)putting more money in AMCA program and fast tracking it by all means necessary and possible b) making arrangement for 2 squadrons of PAK-FA ASAP. And for checking shrinking squadron strength,… Read more »
Rahul(Kolkata)
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Rahul(Kolkata)
3 years 10 months ago
@Abhiman: I hope u r the same Abhiman of Broadsword. Though I agree with you on the desi vs imported debate and I would like to see a large number of MK II ordered instead of current piecemeal, plz note that MK II is still under development and God knows when it will come out(again, the efficiency of PSU's and DRDO). So it is a little premature to boast of its capabilities….However I am of the strong view that if you are preparing to tackle PAF and PLAAF in the not so distant feature, you have to have some parity… Read more »
Joy
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3 years 10 months ago

More like….. Stale wine takes time. When it comes to defense acquisition, we are much better at making stale wine.

Gopal
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Gopal
3 years 10 months ago
Gotta love Abhimanyu…"Tejas Mk.2 is equivalent to Gripen NG and F-16 Bk.52!!!"…which were dropped from MMRCA on performance grounds.Tejas is going forward, Mk.2 will be acquired, and eventually a Mk.3 will happen.MMRCA is in addition to that. "Next." Anyhow, this post is misleading. If Shiv has some other info he should post it, but the reporting on the subject does NOT in any way support that France/Dassault is 'pushing' India to get more planes. It says the topic was brought up during discussions, but doesn't say by who. The increase to MMRCA purchase has long been known to be a… Read more »
Unknown
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3 years 10 months ago

Scrap the deal

Unknown
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3 years 10 months ago

Scrap the useless deal

CK
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CK
3 years 10 months ago

The french made their original bid for MRCA when sales to Brazil and UAE was seen as certain.

As those seem very distant now, the MRCA has to be increased to create a profit.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

What crap! It has nothing to do with it. Besides other press reports suggests it india who brought up the 63 options. To sell the rafale in all cases industry has to make a profit otherwise no point selling it is there?

Rahul
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Rahul
3 years 10 months ago
Rafale may seems like quicker option against LCA Mk-2 but it's not the case at all. Rafale is a foreign fighter, thus will take quite amount of time to get fully operational with IAF. First IAF will have to train a small batch of Pilots and technicians as trainee instructors in France which will then train required batch of Pilots and technicians for the first squadron. But it's not what all required, to be able to successfully use Rafales in any war IAF will have to first understand this jet all through and it will require quite much hours of… Read more »
Gopal
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Gopal
3 years 10 months ago
A larger MMRCA order has ALWAYS been considered, before Rafale was selected or even down-selected (with Typhoon). Reporting says that MoD sees the enlarged order as being a separate contract, not modifying the first. Of course, a successful company providing a product that meets the needs of it's users so well that they need more should presumably make a profit. Otherwise one can buy fighter jets from the Red Cross Society. The enlarged order does raise the possibility that further jets will be manufactured fully by Dassault in France, and thus be available for faster delivery, which is a serious… Read more »
Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 10 months ago
Mr. Gopal, you're good at making grandiose assumptions. Doesn't work here. Nobody said Rafale is the "Next" fighter. It is merely a stop-gap arrangement to stem falling squadron levels, as per IAF, MoD etc. The Tejas Mk-II shall shall be the bulk of the IAF for decades to come. The IAF must accept it, because its specs shall be atleast equal to Gripen-NG and F-16 C/D. Even if the Gripen and F-16 failed to make the MMRCA cut, lets not forget that the Mk-II is an ongoing project. There is ample room for improvement. Thus, the IAF must make plans… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

By the time Rafale comes in 2017-18 it would be junk because of snail policy of Indian defence planners.

Anonymous
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3 years 10 months ago
People plz dont behave like those brain washed RETARDS , Tejas MK2 no matter HOW good IT IS still a single engine fighter while . TAKING ACCOUNT THE SIZE OF COUNTRY SUPERCUISE ON A TWIN ENGINE AIRCRAFT IS NECESSITY THE ERA OF HARDCORE AIR RAIDS ARE DONE , MAINLY DO TO ADVANCEMENT IN SAMs AND OTHER ANTI AIRCRAFT TECHNOLOGIES . TODAY AERIAL WARFARE IS ABT SLIPPING IN TO RADAR GAPS , DELIVERING PRECISION MUTIONS AND SLIPPING OUT . PLUS THE MOST PAF AND PLAAF FIGHTERS ARE MADE OF METAL AND CANNOT SUSTAIN HIGHER AFTERBURNER CYCLES OWING TO INHERENT FLAW IN… Read more »
xxi
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xxi
3 years 10 months ago

ONLY WAY TO SAVE HAL IS SPLIT IT UP .

HAL OF TODAY WILL CONTINUE PRODUCING MILITARY RELATED PRODUCTS , spares parts , system management etc etc

WHILE NEW SPLIT DIVISION OF HAL ( A JV WILL A PUBLIC ENTERPRISE ) produces products that have dual use for civilian markets , to reduce the strain,

HAL YOU SEE IS MORE INTERESTED IN KEEPING ITS NAVRANTAN STATUS , HENCE ITS UNABLE TO FINANCIALLY DAMAGING R&D

Rahul
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Rahul
3 years 10 months ago
Anonymous @ 11:37 PM Sir, nobody in here retard and nobody here saying Banadars can beat Raptors. Only point and of course valid point is, which one among Rafale and LCA MK-2 is most suitable as filler, especially considering important fact that India has very long international border to go hosting during war? Think about Sino-Pak aggression and think about length of international border and control lines as existent as today. Now ask yourself which one will come of most use as filler (as both are), a batch 183 Rafales or 300 Mirage-2000 class LCA MK-2s with better electronics than… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 10 months ago

Every plane needs avionics upgrade approximately 7=10 years and for mirage upgrade Dassault is charging 41 million $ , then i feel for rafale upgrade they would ask 100 million $. Why not develop Tejas Mark 3 with twin engine and with front canards and put it through tests in next 3 years and mass produce it. It is time to say bye bye to rafale , we cannot afford it.

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