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23 Comments on "Tejas Christmas For IAF?"

dhruva
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dhruva
3 years 1 month ago

"Lots on the Tejas over the next few weeks."

Ha Ha Ha!!…you really don't mean it, Shiv…You really don't..

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 1 month ago

No more a light combat aircraft, enemies taking it lightly can do so at their own peril. Not even a single crash or mishap. Speaks volumes of Indian engineers and craftsmanship.

Singam
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Singam
3 years 1 month ago

Who plans to give the MoD a ear full too. It's be a long time coming

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 1 month ago

Why say Christmas? Not new years? Last I checked this is India. I live in Canada, they never mention Dewali.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 1 month ago
NSR says – No crashes in so many flights is really incredible. If IOC-2 is successful, then MoD, IAF, and HAL should sit together and discuss about TejasI and Rafale. It is not worth spending $15 to 30 billlions on Rafale without 100% TOT. I think we should spend couple of billions on TejasII on a war footing and build a fighter bomber that is our own. Then upgrade it in tranches by collaborating with foreigh companies on individual subsystems. Give some $$ to GE to get complete TOT of F-414INS6 and then improve it for AMCA. India will be… Read more »
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Anonymous
3 years 1 month ago
I have now retired and little out of touch with latest technology but the basics are still very strong and as per my calculations the air intakes of Tejas MK2 have to be 12% larger than Gripen NG. IOC 2 would be a landmark achievement and as soon IAF gets the limited series planes their anger would cool down.There are always delays in technology of that complexity.I feel the air intakes of limited series planes be also enlarged. I feel only 20 planes be build in MK1 configuration and quickly build and test MK2 and start a computerized assembly line.… Read more »
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Anonymous
3 years 29 days ago
Thanks for the update Shiv.The Tejas will be an asset to the IAF when it achieves IOC, of that there is no doubt. IOC, of course, means IOC, not some piece of paper which claims "all izz well".Two small quibbles : 1. Anthony giving the DRDO an earful, making it clear that they would get no further extensions is a classic example of shifting the goalposts. The issue is not that DRDO / ADA are negligent in execution or effort – the working level scientists and engineers are slogging at full capacity. The issue is simply one of programme management.… Read more »
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Anonymous
3 years 29 days ago
Really flabbergasted that there are Indians in government/MOD/IAF who would spend $15 to 20 or 30 billions on 126 Rafale but would not spend few billions and some extra time to get this fighter/bomber right. No one will give this kind of technology for free and other countries have had worse problems. Even F-35 have so many issues. There is a great danger that accelerated testing in few weeks may crash one and derail the whole project. So all of us, LCA/Tejas enthusiasts, have to pray GOD for his grace on this really wonderful looking and excellent fighter/Bomber. Good luck… Read more »
Rahul(Kolkata)
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Rahul(Kolkata)
3 years 28 days ago

@Anonymous 7:48 PM..

Loved your comment dude, keep it up….

Manne
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Manne
3 years 28 days ago

Earfuls do not work even in military if unjustified/unfair. Will they ever work in Mil-Ind? Yeah, they will if the sun starts rising in the west just because some mantri huffs and puffs.

Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 28 days ago

Godspeed to Dr. Avinash Chander, the current DRDO Chief. Given DRDO's hard-work, Tejas Mk-1 shall indeed achieve IoC-II by December.

The priority of DRDO should be to thrust down Tejas Mk1 down IAF's throat at any cost.

The IoC-II can also be given with say, "95% parameters met", and for the remaining 5%, IAF's inputs can decide the remaining clearance.

Let the IAF also get a taste of development practices along the globe. Keyword being "Tranche development".

larsing
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3 years 27 days ago

Dear Shiv,can you please post a basic comparison between our Tejas and the KAI T 50 which has been much hyped in the Asian region.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 27 days ago
NSR says –"Defence Minister AK Antony gave the DRDO an earful" Wow, if the fish dies it stinks from the head first ( a proverb)…I do not know if any one remembers a daring king named Tipu Sultan. He is the first one who built missiles and terrorized the British Army…So he built missiles long before any could do that and he is in front of the development, deployment, fight,…It is the fiduciary responsibility of DM Antony to lead the effort by bringing together Chief Scientist, Service chiefs, DRDO, HAL, etc together and admonish everyone to work together to make… Read more »
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Anonymous
3 years 26 days ago
Dear Abhiman,"thrust Tejas Mk1 down IAF's throat at any cost" .Any cost? Unsafe platform in peace and unfit for war is okay for you? I'm guessing you have never needed to put your life in somebody else's hands just so that he could plug his system "at any cost".What you probably don't know or realise is that the IAF supports the Tejas – of that there is no question, notwithstanding what some of the ill-informed conspiracy seeking hyper jingoes on the net seem to think. Defence of the realm is a serious business, and much as you seem to know… Read more »
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Anonymous
3 years 26 days ago
@ Abhimansir,I am the IAF pilot that engaged you on a similar post on this very blog dated 21 may 12, titled 6 tejas sqn by 2022. There we argued that the tall claims made by hal/drdo on tejas induction by 2012 are unattainable, you disagreed. we are now 40 days away from 2014. We saw the Tejas at jamnagar, beautiful bird but far from induction. My riposte on your comments follows."Godspeed to Dr. Avinash Chander, the current DRDO Chief. Given DRDO's hard-work, Tejas Mk-1 shall indeed achieve IoC-II by December."All the best, but looks less likely. Weapon release has… Read more »
Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 25 days ago
Anonymous @2:43. It is this very "holier than thou" attitude of the armed forces, that you so eloquently spell out in your post — that must be firmly addressed. The armed forces have always gotten off the hook of any scrutiny, or even any doubt on the premise that since they are the defenders with their lives on the line, therefore they must know best. Add to it, the near demi-god status accorded to them by the public, and the media and they became Holy Cows. While we all have respect for the jawans gaurding us, procurement decisions must be… Read more »
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Anonymous
3 years 25 days ago
Abhiman thats what you did last time. When you lose an argument you make a strawman and than go about destroying it. Where in my post did I say that- LCA is unsafe.When did I say that procurement decisions should not be questioned. where did I say that Gripen is the right choice for IAF.I also have no disagreement with your fight with ficticious 5 star generals of army.In a very narrow precise sense I made a point that HAL, DRDO should stop making promises that they can not keep.Well I know sinse you can not answer that, you would… Read more »
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3 years 24 days ago

Abhiman,
You seem to be motivated from national interest, but unfortunately you have no facts, but only hearsay and internet sensationalism. I am not in a position to address your issues on this forum since the rules do not permit it. If you can put up an email id we can take this further.
Anon @ 2.43
P.S. Anon @ 10.41, I think he was reversing offensively for me, not you 🙂

Abhiman
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Abhiman
3 years 24 days ago
Anonymous @9:48. Its not about "promises that can't be kept". Its rather about "asking for the moon, purposely changing goalposts (so that DRDO falters) and then pitching for imports". Period. That's why I gave the Arjun example, and that's exactly what's happening with Tejas. ——————- To Mr. Pilot @10:41 AM. As of 2011, Tejas could fire precision-guided munitions. So, even at that time it could have been inducted as a replacement for MiG-27s and MiG-23s atleast, if not the MiG-21. This would not be too different from Typhoon, which was just an air-defence fighter when initially inducted (and even pitched… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 6 days ago
@ abhiman. a) You sound like the Tata customers who allowed Tata to experiment on us from Indica 1 till the latest model. Millions of Indians didnt fall for it. You want to repeat that on a 30 billion dollar scale???? you mst be kidding.b) exactly how many sorties would you let your son fly on a non ops aircraft?c) what makes you think that the Mig-21 was the IAFs choice of ac? The ac is still in service because the DRDO/ADA failed to deliver in time.When your mum cant make food, you gotta go to a hotel kiddo.d) The… Read more »
K K
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K K
3 years 3 days ago
Anonymous 6:09 PM, Really ??? This is your answer to Abhiman's arguments?? He has argued forcefully and with concrete arguments, but you declare that he has no basis to analyse, as he neither has any flying experience nor any aviation engineering background?? Agreed, that there were and are chinks in LCA which ADA is trying to fix. A better approach would be enumerating its weaknesses as well as strengths. But unfortunately all you guys are interested in is tearing it down,all the time. This is the typical problem with this breed of tongue-tied, brain-tied and logically-handicapped fauji Jurnails and Karnails.They… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 1 day ago

Dec 20 fixed for lca ioc 2 great news. Keep it up guys.

Prof.Prodyut Das
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Prof.Prodyut Das
2 years 11 months ago
One has been "tricked " by ADA promises so often in the past that one is inclined even at this late stage to look for the worms in the woodwork. What we will get on 20th of December can be anything from hell to breakfast. For such "cynicism" ADA management,and if I may mention it,particularly that in the past Century, are to blame.ADA, by its arrogance and "cleverness" systematically created its detractors.It then reaped it consequences. Let us not celebrate. It has been a painful birth and the overwhelming feeling must be one of relief rather than Triumph.The instances of… Read more »
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