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35 Comments on "State Of Play: Three Years Since India Chose Rafale"

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1 year 10 months ago
Folks , The introduction of f16 so scared the desi establishment that a combination of Mig 29 and M2k was felt to a minimum response to the same. The solah goes from strength to strength . So let us order just 40 Rafales and tom tom the same ; and say bye bye france .The media , intellectuals ( sic) , IAF, DRDO,ADA,HAL, netas , Kejriwal,Kiran Bedi , IAS,IFS ( not forest service ), china , secular desh ,will all do bhangra and distribute prasad . Meanwhile let us invest in an extensive array of SAM.s from Russia and Isreal.THe… Read more »
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1 year 10 months ago

If our politicians are made to use aging Migs then they even try procuring the F22's. Don't worry about the price, for our politicians the nations money is their pocket money. They want to spend the nations money the way they want, not to the needs of our defense force.

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1 year 10 months ago

The deal for Rafales should be canceled and the money used design and make the next generation aircraft in India by Indians.

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1 year 10 months ago

@singam – I think the Govt. should set themselves as deadline to conclude negotiations or end the same. Clearly, the IAF needs new fighter aircraft inventory to keep our fighting edge ahead.

I would say look at the Sukhoi 30 MKI being the backbone of the spearhead and continue to add to it's numbers. Take the current 272 upto 700.

There is already a negotiated contract in place, just add to it and get it done with.

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1 year 10 months ago
@ Anon @ 6:17 PM …and "the defense force" you speak of will try to buy itself the most glamorous ride it can find on the planet , never mind the cost ! They first need to learn how to fly and not crash one per month before asking the tax payer to pay for even one more paisa. Anything you give these buggers – they will figure out how to crash them . Mig-21s a flying coffin, Jaguars one crash every year, Mig-27 one rash every year, Mirage 2000 a crash every two years, Su-30 – one crash a… Read more »
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1 year 10 months ago

At current costs the Rafale is easily a no no. Make in India an Indian aircraft is the only solution. The Su-31 solution is the most logical and correct and quickest solution the $20 billion thus save should b e best spent in developing state of art avionics for the su 31 for future needs, increasing the Su 31; building production capacity in order to quickly reach the 42 sqdn levels.

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1 year 10 months ago

Time to replace the MIg21 and 27 has arrived and just over the shoulder its Jags in next 10-15 yrs what we have here is a Gr8 Indian procurment circus

Dalip Bhati
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1 year 10 months ago

The French are trying to play tough by not toeing Indian line as customer is supreme. By not buying Rafael Other nations have not died or lost a battle i SAY lets buy or design better Assault rifles or improve their terminal effect (Barrier blind round) please don't neglect the Infantry because everything is designed or made to see its success on the battle field may it be a tank, aircraft,artillery gun and what have you — because behind every rifle a super computer is working the brave soldier

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1 year 10 months ago

Shiv you deleted the entire article on SU Pak-Fa…?

Vivek
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Vivek
1 year 10 months ago

Livefist @livefist · Dec 19

There's been some epic bickering between Dassault & HAL that hasn't been reported.

Details soon on Livefist. #MMRCA

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No report yet. What gives?

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1 year 10 months ago

Here some person has mentioned the Indian Air Force to be a glamorous force. Well Sir do you think the pilots crash and lose their lives intentionally. Our institutions and colleges might be decaying but if you think the professionalism displayed by the IAF is low then I am sorry to say that you are not aware at all. IAF demands aircrafts because the HAL does not deliver, they are just a bunch of lazy people eating the taxpayers money.

Mahendra Singh
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1 year 10 months ago

Split the 126 MRCA order between 63 extra Su30 and 63 Tejas MkI. Work on reducing the weight of MkI. Work seriously on the AMCA.

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1 year 10 months ago
NSR says — At $25 to 30 billions for 126 fighters and not taking responsibility for quality and delivery is a big no no no and humungous future trouble… At least India can bargain hard with Russia for further transfer of TOT and MOTs for not only SU-30MKI and Mig-29K, Smerch, T-90S, etc by dangling a big carrot of additional Super Sukhois and Mig-29Ks… At least this way India will have worthy planes by the time Tejas II and FGFA comes in… So use the money wisely to build up fighters and even get some batteries of S-400 at friendly… Read more »
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1 year 10 months ago

@singam – If Dassault is playing hardball and not complying with the RFQ, then dump L1 and go for L2. Is not the 2nd Organization (Eurofighter) Plan B.

If both L1 & L2 are wasting time, dump them too and go for additional orders of SU-30MKI's (another 500).

All the while I felt the Gripen NG or F/A-18 Super Hornet were the better options in the MMCRA review. so what if they came in at 3rd & 4th place. Atleast they stick to their commitments and deliver on time.

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1 year 10 months ago

Rafale shall give a lot of confidence to our flyboys against new and still newer F16's .The pakis by virtue of their close relationship with the chinks must have mastered SU 27 ., So Rafale is the only answer here although in reduced numbers

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1 year 10 months ago

Rafale shall give a lot of confidence to our flyboys against new and still newer F16's .The pakis by virtue of their close relationship with the chinks must have mastered SU 27 ., So Rafale is the only answer here although in reduced numbers

Satpathy
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1 year 10 months ago

Not sure why the timeline on FGFA was taken down. Would like to see it re-posted with any additional information that you may have.

Prashant
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1 year 10 months ago
Batter to cancel this make this jet in india idea and purchase 50 rafale straightaway from France. Bargin hard on this deal and try to get the best deal.Use the saved money to increase the Tajes mk1 production rate per year and aquire batter SAM systems to protect our Skies.Please note our IAF is already good enough for PAF without rafale but if our leaders thinks that Rafale can help fighting China then its a big mistake. China has insatalled layer of some of most deadly SAM(Like S300/S400) system around and it will be a suside for any indian Jet… Read more »
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prashant
1 year 10 months ago

Sukhoi30 mki used to cost around 40 to 60 million earlier but now the one which nasik plantis chunking out is 102 million per jet so its not cheap either.I still think we should buy Rafael.3 years for selection hmm looks like till we decide,France will close the Rafael plant as well…

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1 year 10 months ago

Not worth spending so much money on an old has been fighter which no one has purchased just for the sake of an acronym.Instead we should find a better alternative.

Mayank Acharya
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1 year 10 months ago

As awesome as the Rafale is, I still think we should invest our millions in the LCA program and expedite their induction. We really need NUMBERS now, and Tejas has just enough bells and whistles on it to get the job done.

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1 year 10 months ago

A few thoughts from a perplexed frenchman maybe Dassault interest in mmrca was always weak in the first place.. too much TOT. Nothing such with UAE or Qatar. Then there is the french politics ..Dasault family hostile to socialist party of Hollande. So Dassault actuallly might be ready to screw the deal with India, as long they have hope of selling to arab customers.

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1 year 10 months ago

Je Dis Aurevoir Rafale.

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1 year 10 months ago

Modiji wants to scrap this deal and instead wants it to give to Obama.

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1 year 10 months ago
I don't understand why people talk about producing LCA when we cannot produce it. Hal does not have the technical acumen or organisational standards required to implement such a large project on its own. Instead it tries to stop the IAF from going in for alternatives even at the cost of endangering our security. The light trainer Sitara and the primary trainer are the tragic examples. THe IAF chiefs are only too happy to go along and not one has taken the fight to the PM / President / Public and demand the planes he requires be supplied.Rafale and associated… Read more »
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1 year 10 months ago

IAF needs to put it's foot down for the Rafale. It's the pilot who are going to face the heat during the battle and not bureaucrats or politicians who will just point fingers.

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1 year 10 months ago

Indian MoD has cancelled Medium Lift Transport tender and cleared the decks for MTRA with Russians to move forward.
Great going.

Scrap all these off the shelf buys including that of the Rafale !

Mayank Acharya
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1 year 9 months ago

Organizational standards and technical acumen have to be mustered. HAL must evolve into a "printer" from being just a "copier". They must deliver LCA or face administrative consequences. But the only way that will be possible if we stop buying everything from abroad.

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1 year 9 months ago
Not clear what Rafale and its associated technologies are so in demand. Stealth, nope does not have. Engines, not best in class. AESA, not best in class. Electronic warfare, again far from best in class. Range, too short. Let's be real. Against China, Rafale is not going to be able to penetrate China air defense. Even with air to air refueling, Rafale may not even get to the beach since the J20 will push the tankers so far back. A better much more cost effective defense/offense for India should focus on A2/AD with long range stand off stealthy weapons in… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago

One thing I would like the experts to tell this ignorant pleb. What makes the Rafale so expensive over MKI or Su 30/ 34/35 which are equally sophisticated .Is it the western overpricing/ lack of volumes / only or is there something we dont know about. The ruskies are equally big shylocks when it comes to charging for a weapon system.

Dalip Bhati
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1 year 9 months ago

The FRENCH KISS is turning out to be too costly when one can have better and longer fun with other aircraft's like Typhoon, SU&MIG 35 the other Europeans are equally good just taste them they also have vector thrust to enhance the fun

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1 year 9 months ago
As an uncle whose nephew wants to join IAF and fly fighters ( and like some youngsters , nothing else), I am very happy that the IAF has stuck to its guns for primary trainer pilatus and hawks. It is our national duty to give them top of the line equipment like Rafale to boost their confidence when defending the country . We have the technical expertise but need political will and give a boot to the politicos,media,analysts,accountants and administrators who stand in the way. Rafale as of now is vastly superior to Eurofighter , the teens and the Russian… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago

Rafale is needed to replace not Mig-21s & 23s its replacment for Mig-27s and some early Jags thats why it is needed.

Raahul Kumar
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1 year 9 months ago

The RAFALE is too expensive. Cancel the tender, this sorry story has gone on for too long.

Instead pour the money into developing the AMCA, Tejas Mark 3, and the DRDO AURA. We can go from importing planes to making them ourselves.

Time to bet big on Bharat.

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1 year 9 months ago

The French position is clear. It does not need to nor will it provide any guarantee as to any Rafale manufactured in India. That is today a statement put out by French government agency DGA.

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