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76 Comments on "Rafale Vs. Su-30MKI – The New Indian Dogfight"

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1 year 9 months ago

While most air forces are happy with just one or two types of jets the IAF needs light, medium and heavy types one each from western and eastern blocks and another of the mandatory indigenous type.
It almost feels like IAF had to invent a "Medium" type to justify MMRCA.

Single type operating AFs-
France: Mirage 2000(being replaced by Rafael)
Sweeden: Jas 39 Grippin
Two type(heavy/light) AFs-
USAF: F15/F16 to be replaced by F20/F35
Russia: Su27/Mig 29

tejender pal singh saran
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8 months 29 days ago

U are wrong rafale is multirole fighter means it can work as percision bomber , air superiority fighter and awac hunter and France made only one plane due to economic issue or did India has same economic issue that y iaf is chasing rafale madly ur argument is wrong about light and heavy air superiority fighter what about fighter bomber, American has f18,a10,b2 ,a110 etc

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Russian offers are always cheap on paper and when the contracts are inked the prices SOAR.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

About 1.5 engine related problems per month… That's really far over par under current reliability standards.

If M2000, single engined, was at this level of confidence there would be none remaining.

Krish
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Krish
1 year 9 months ago

Wonderful account of the issue. When a powerful and honest government comes to power, none of French underhand dealings will work.

Stick to RFP and original price and transfer TOT, otherwise .. BBYYE.

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

IAF has converted itself to Heavy fighter Air Force, yet wants to retain the number of squadrons.
Even the richest airforce in the world USAF has F-15 & lighter F-16, just 2 main varieties. Both produced in large numbers.
US navy operates just one type : F-18.
Now US has F-22 & F-35.
Last 10 years gave seen progress in stand off weapons and drones , why would anyone spend on so many types of fighters.
We should have heavy SU-30 and light LCA,
The huge maintenance bill I am sure not been factored in.

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago
The IAF has met its match …in the current Defence Minister. Bull shitting and passing the buck around won't work any more. Buckle up or be prepared to be ejected ! Why are the French so afraid to speak up in the middle of this maelstrom ? Perhaps because they know fully well that the Russians can tear into every piece of logic that they can bring forth as to why the Rafale is better suited than Sukhois ( and I am not talking 'bout the 30MKIS here) when it comes to capabilities. Dassault has cried itself hoarse for well… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

The Rafale is an awsome plane, and comes in several different variations. -not only one type

the russians have good planes, but the su30…?
the Pak Fa will probably be good, in about 6-10 years, when its finished…

the su 35, sure! but its still not mass produced..

if you (india) is going to choose Russian planes
-then WHY ON EARTH is nobody talking about the su 34 Fullback???

in my "book", that is the only Russian plane that directly would compete with the Rafale omnirole version.

if you wont consider this plane, then Rafale seems more of a safe bet…. eventhough it costs more

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Sorry if Rafale has not seen any action like the 1967 Six Days war … Thankfully wars opposing large fleets of jets are pretty uncommon nowadays.

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SK
1 year 9 months ago
@Anon 8.49PM Actually, there is nothing to hide anymore as all skeletons of IAF have come stumbling out. The first Su-30MKI crash occurred when Wing Commander Munje and his co-pilot were flying. The co-pilot was killed unfortunately so the ejection switch was blamed. In the last crash, again Wing Commander Munje was involved but this time his co-pilot survived. Turns out that Munje and his co-pilot had heated exchanges in the cockpit so they decided to ditch the plane. This is what Russians say is cowboy flying. Its all over the place now after Manorama Online reported this week. Seems… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

It was hot topic in late 80's in US but what is the purpose of such debate right now ??

Building capability is more important than which color dress should I buy today !!

and that is what its been reduced to !!

shankar subramanian
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1 year 9 months ago

Guys go with RUSSIAN SUPER SUKHOI SU 35 FLANKERS 252 I N NUMBER…..
RATHER THAN EXPENSIVE RAFAEL WHICH IS ONE AND ONLE USED BY FRENCH ARMY………
RUSSIA IS IN ECONOMIC RECESSION AND IS ISOLATED BY WEST…………IF WE BARGAIN FOR LOWER PRICES SURE ….PUTIN WILL AGREE TO GIVE US LATEST TECHNOLOGIES …….WHICH EVEN RUSSIA IS AFFRAID TO SHARE WITH CHINA……..
RUSSIA IS OUR LONG TERM FRIEND……..
BETTER BY 252 SUKHOI SU 35 BRATHER THAN EXPENSIVE TURKEYS LIKE RAFEL WHICH HAVE BEEN ONLY USED BY FRANCE ARMY

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Just buy 100 su 35s, and speed up the development of AMCA. You'll get both, medium and heavy. Everyone will get what they want. Plus the Su-35 is pretty awesome, it beats the Rafale in almost every way. Rafale is no slouch but the flanker is just insane

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago
If true, this may be exactly what the UAC representative has referred to over and over as "COWBOY" IAF pilots : "The first Su-30MKI crash occurred when Wing Commander Munje and his co-pilot were flying. The co-pilot was killed unfortunately so the ejection switch was blamed. In the last crash, again Wing Commander Munje was involved but this time his co-pilot survived. Turns out that Munje and his co-pilot had heated exchanges in the cockpit so they decided to ditch the plane. This is what Russians say is cowboy flying". Its all over the place now after Manorama Online reported… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago
@shankar Pls define whats the real capabilities of Su35? Are the so called capabilities war proved in any type of battles even if the so called countries used against had different capabilities theen perhaps our neighbourhood. Which technologies are you referring which can be bargained and Putin/Russia will agree to see bcz of recession? How russia is afraid of China for selling tech where large energy deals are already in place among them which is more like cohabitation and inter dependence. On top Su35 is already being procured by China so whats the guarantee they will not reverse engineer it?… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

First, China isn't buying Su 35s. Secondly, if you compare capabilities, the flanker is much better than the rafale. Please check the facts before you run around making stupid rants.
Also, I don't know if you really were affiliated with the iaf, if true, you surprisingly lack the grace and modesty of someone who rendered their service to the country and its people. Stop abusing people, it's not their fault that you are ignorant and bitter

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago
Sorry for not being able to control myself to pitch in at this moment. Although Mr ex iaf has used a very tough language in expressing himself, I can understand his situation and mentality. I myself am feeling like tearing my hairs reading all these discussions with lots of studies and facts and bookish knowledge but with zero (R) zero real time practical on the ground knowledge. Rafale is far ahead of flanker and even the 35. How can I say, I am still flying the flankers everyday and night and flown in Rafael and typhoon simulators. One small example,… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 7 months ago

Have you flown the su-35? Considering the fact that it is labeled as a multirole fighter by the Russians, don't you think it will have a higher availability rate? At least comparable to the rafale? Also if you were flying a Rafale or typhoon would you want to get in a dogfight with a Su-35?

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1 year 5 months ago
I think m gonna have to agree with those iaf guys….because lets face it guy s…all those initial anonymous commentors are just pouring in there views on the basis of what they hv read on the internet….and talking about those iaf guys' temper…i think dts totally appropriate, cause all those air sentinels who got crashed during regular sorties….didn't even get chance to blame anyone…so someone has to do that…and no other than there fellow pilots could understand that….cause they have real experience of flying those airborne beasts…when v r still wandering on ground dreaming to be on one. And on… Read more »
Shubham
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Shubham
1 year 9 months ago

I am going to scream the next time some one spells Rafale as R-A-F-A-E-L..

Ajay Vidyadhar
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1 year 9 months ago

RAFAEL.
Start screaming

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago
There is a bigger issue at hand, that is Indias Air Force depends only on imported stuff. So it cannot depend only on Russian weapons. What if a 'la mistral' happens? Our force would be grounded. That is why there is the East-West pardox. Second, we cannot simply take example of USA. US (or most respectable forces) makes all the aircrafts and parts themselves, they are not bound by potential sanctions.Additionally, US looks at the theaters differently, where each of its forces have different but coherent roles. While the marines operate Harriers, F-18s, F-35 (in future), Navy operates super hornets… Read more »
Ram
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1 year 9 months ago

Any ploy that's gotten the Russians to attentively look at the operational availability issues of the Su-30 is a good one in my opinion. Whether or not we go with the Russians, we might as well leverage the deal for our benefit.

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1 year 9 months ago
Mr. Parrikar seems smart – he has put both Dassault and UAC under pressure and buckle up themselves! Rafale looks to have following advantages as MMRCA over Su-3X: 1. Terrain Following capability – holds height less than 100 meters.Essential over uneven terrain.Su-34 may have some TF capability, not as precise as Rafale. 2. Higher reliability & serviceability – with current servicibility level of Sukhoi's, IAF may be left with only 10-20% aircarft after two weeks of war. 2. Low RCS – 3. Smaller in size – useful for CAS/interdiction role – for shoulder fired MANPAD and unguided anti-aircraft guns to… Read more »
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Abhiman
1 year 9 months ago
Fully agree with first Anonymous poster at 11:30. The MMRCA drama must be cancelled soon. Instead, IAF must nurture only Su-30 MKIs and Tejas combinations, just like the F-15-16 combo of the USAF and the Su-30-J-10 combo of China. Let's analyze how the Rafale does NOT fit into the IAF. The Su-30 MKI is a massive hulk that can carry 8 tons of payload with easeBut Rafale can carry 9.5 tons of external payload, and actually beats the much larger Su-30 MKI in this parameter. But how ? Is its design superior to the MKI's ? Are its engines super-efficient… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Good analysis

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Better to purchase SU35S than a dated Fighter which is so expensive that it will affect other much needed purchases and all because flyboys want an acronym called MMRCA without any proper justification for its use.SU35S can easily take on the role meant for MMRCA while acting as a bridge to the FGFA.The capability of Su35S is beyond belief and that to at a much lower cost.

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1 year 9 months ago
bah ! feedback exercice garuda 4 & 5, each time su30 trying to get rafale, rafale go away and other one shut the su30 in bvr, su30 seem not able to detect or lock the rafale, each time the su30 turn on its radar, spectra detect it rafale and shoot the su30, the su30 is so bad and so easy to lock by detection system rafale from long range, i hope for you the T50 do much better than su30/Su35. mig35 is a crap and the su30 look to be also crap, but it is good jet for country doenst… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

What is the source if such info? Where did you hear this??

Anonymous
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Actually the Su 30 pilots weren't allowed to use their radar to keep the frequency of the Bars radar classified

Anonymous
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1 year 9 months ago
@ AbhiMan the armchair Airman.. "….. the MKI can still perform much of its heart-popping maneuvers. The Rafale on the other hand, will be clumsier than a passenger plane. Yes. That's the only difference." Really??? What manoevres does a Su 30 do with 8 T? Have you test flown or Designed either? Seen them manoevering in those configurations? "…The IAF however, doesn't intend to use the Rafale as a bomb-truck. It won't send the Rafale for strike missions deep inside Tibet or Pakistan. That mission is for the Su-30." How do you know what the IAF intends? "Rafale's intended job… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

China bough 24 su35, it would be copied, same for T50 later., china more important inpartner ship than india.
for T50, india divide two the PAK FA order, the partniship of india in the project was also strongely reduced by Russia. it is just logic.

Chinese pilots arrive in Russia for Su-35 training

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20150114000134&cid=1101

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1 year 9 months ago
Folks very disheartening to see this kind of hysteria to call off the mmrca with the reason being given as faulty threat perception/'flyboy whims'/ money wastage by iaf.. The entire spectrum of defence establishment govt/mod/iaf collectively takes a decision on firstly requirement n secondly contenders.. Mmrca selection process was probably the most detailed evaluation ever conducted n was globally praised fr its professionalism . Has the threat perception changed? have genuine requirements changed ? Do u really feel that the 5th largest iaf which has always proved to be pivotal in all conflicts is childish n not worthy of deciding… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
NSR says… RMM Parrikar is correct to say that it is a no go without the acceptance of RFI terms on cost, technology, quality, and delivery… It may be nice to have this fighter at reasonable cost as it will spread the technology acquisition. However, adamant position taken by Dassault does not bode well for India …It is too dangerous to go for it at the present cost and attitude… Also, if India acquires it, then it must insist that it should be exactly like the one they are supplying to France airforce – F-3R version…Otherwise, they will they supply… Read more »
Anonymous
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1 year 9 months ago

@anon 12:55. Was that Klingon? I had to read it thrice. Twice slowly.

Rituraj
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1 year 9 months ago
@Anon 3.23 AM You sound like a mature, reasonable person and I assume you are from IAF. Only few people like you are making some sense these days from IAF on Rafale. In general, the kind of arrogant nonsense which comes out of other IAF experts like AM Manmohan Bahadur, AM Matheswaran etc, creates repulsiveness among online military discussion/curiosity groups. What IAF has forgotten is that it is part of Indian democratic republic and if it wants something, it will have to prove and reprove its case. The socialist era of high-handed requirement and snobbery is gone. A strong public… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
Nope just a keen military enthusiast like urself..I agree with ur general line of argument n also about the need fr persistence but with the following disagreements.. Arrogance n ridicule of non iaf crowd seems a little unfair i'd say.. Atleast ive never heard of the defence brass indulging in ridicule of any sort nor is their language a matter of question usually…. comments published here or by other ppl apart from the ppl actually involved musnt be regarded as the iafs official statement.. Nevertheless highhandedness n arrogance is deplorable wherever it arises..As to trying to sell their views to… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
The irony in the Indian Air Force is actually beyond imagination. 1. It has a reputed heavy fighter in Su-30MKI fleet. Another air superiority stealth fighter may come in the form of T-50. 2. Its MMRCA fleet made of MiG-29 UPG, Jaguar and Mirage 2000 are good enough for next 20-25 years. Their replacement would be required in 2035-40 framework for which AMCA development is undergoing. 3. It horribly lacks a single engine light fighter because its MiG-21s are going to be phased out very soon. Instead of replacing these light weight single engine fighters immediately with LCA MK-1 and… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
Anonymous @4:06, the Su-30 is known to perform stunts at full load-out. Please read this: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=665 There's no evidence of a Rafale being fully agile when fully loaded. Speaking of trials, the IAF is supposed to conduct trials and grant the FoC (Final Operational Certificate) before ANY fighter jet is inducted. So, has it granted the FoC to imported wares like MiG-29, Mirage-2000 and many others ? But strangely, Tejas has to jump through hoops before being granted IoC-1, then IoC-2 piecemeal certifications. And yet the IAF insists on FoC for the Tejas !! So, foreign jets don't need to… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
Well, a lot of people here are bashing the Rafale without knowing what it can do. First about the weight:From Yefim Gordon book about the Flanker, Su 30MKI Max take off weight is 34000kg, fuel 10000kg, and weapon 8000kg.Empty weight is not given, but it leaves only 16000kg for the plane and basic Su 30 is given for 17700kg. So everyone thinking that Flanker can carry full internal fuel et full weapon load is naïve ! One is even more naïve to think that Flanker airshow demonstration is done with full fuel ! Russian avionic is so crap that export… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
@Abhimaan Love ur persistence despite pathetic Lack of Knowledge 🙂 IOC and FOC are for certifying that the ac can indeed perform its op role (DRDO and HAL bluffs a lot here..The Tejas doesnt meet very many critical specs…but if we r forced to buy anyway, might as well get at least 50% Vfm) As far as foreign ac are concerned, dont buy what u dont like. In any case DRDO lover, its the Babus who make the contract and the buying decision. No one listens to the IAF. Thats how the IAF got stuck with the MiG series and… Read more »
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Rituraj
1 year 9 months ago

Can anyone explain in technical terms, where does Rafale stand in terms of stealth technology?

How will it face off against Chinese J-20 or Chinese-Pakistani J-31 who are pretty close to F-22/F-35 because of cyber stealing of designs and GE/SAFRAN cooperation with AVIC? How will Rafale hold itself against these fighters?

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1 year 9 months ago
Anonymous @10:04, I appreciate your dogged defence of the IAF, despite your argumentative ground being chipped away steadily. DRDO didn't 'bluff' on the Tejas. In fact, it has delivered more than the 1995 ASRs, and far far more than what was originally envisaged in the 1980s. Its the IAF that keeps changing its requirements, which forces DRDO to go back to the drawing board every now and then. For example, IAF asked for a wing re-design in 2003-04, which put a spanner in the test plans. DRDO came back 20 months later with the new design. Similarly, IAF kept asking… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
So the above debate looks like a draw. My takeaway is: 1).Whew! Good there is the sukhoi302).Damn! When tejas gets FOC in Dec, it is going to make the neighbours go green with envy and3).Hell! We need the rafale, its a game changer for the roles it will allow the IAF to play.If the MOD thinks it has the budget for rafale,why not?!, it is an incredible plane. But the IAF needs to work on its shoddy image of not supporting or being closely involved with local industry. A humble note to some ex-services personnel. Condescension never wins an argument.… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
@ Abhiman 1:47 and Anonymous 3:50Does condescension not apply to your slanderous posts where you openly accuse the service of bribes and whatnot?2. Question by all means, its a democracy, BUT get the f**king true data first and not a coloured one sided view3. Abhimaan…Once again slooowly…FOC is for indigenous equipment whether Tank or Plane or Ship etc etc, PLEASE read the manuals on this and check who wrote and signed them, before such frivolous comments.4. 1000 Kgs overweight, at least 10% below aerodynamic requirements, 15 years too late.. So was the world and your enemies standing still waiting for… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago

@anon 7:28 pm. Read my post (i am the anon @3:50) again.

If there is anything slanderous to the IAF or DPSU's, English comprehension classes might be in order for you.

Just to be clear I was batting for the Rafale,Tejas and sukhoi, and I was not trying to be cynical.

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Abhiman
1 year 9 months ago
Anonymous @7:28. Sir, if FoC is for indigenous equipment, then what is the certification given for foreign equipment ? There would surely be one, right ? The re-design asked by IAF was a case of being caught napping. They should've included it in their 1995 ASR. This would've shaved off 2 years from testing. Also, Tejas uses modular avionics, which means that its avionics are no more than 5 years old. Any updates can be integrated very quickly. Speaking of indigenous content: The Gripen C/D is exactly like the Tejas: GE-F404 engine (USA), Ferranti radar (Italy), Martin Baker ejection seats… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
@Anon 7.28 PM, If you represent Indian Air Force and your views are any similar to other officers in IAF, I see a very very dark future for you all. No wonder scholars like Robert Farley are now calling for disbandment of US Air Force. Because the land portion of attack can be taken care of by Army Aviation, if properly equipped with CAS, MRCA and Heavy fighters. The naval portion is already being taken care of by the Navy all over the world. Long range interdiction can be done by long range cruise and ballistic missiles. They are not… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
@ Various ( Anon, Abhimaan, etc) Finally Abhimaan comes close to the truth in his 10:32 post. Come closer..what was the reason for the wing re-design (hint…Obsolete Missile etc..) was it IAF napping or programme delays coupled with changing world and regional security environment, necessitating change ? How much delay is condonable? how much is reasonable? How much was avoidable? How many have been fired? who is held to account for the delays and shortfalls? why the waivers and concessions in performance and more importantly safety and armament? Look into your "Girebaan" was it the IAF fault alone? Is it… Read more »
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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Lets fire the f***ing drivers and do it with UCAVs

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1 year 9 months ago
On an unrelated issue-OMG .. Who the hell calls fighter pilots drivers.. Lol i bet most of us wanted to be pilots at some point in our lives:-pIf drivers are trained to withstand inhumane g forces.. Backbreaking training.. Rigourous sorties both day n night in the farthest corners of the land in highly unreliable n many a time obsolete cars then by all means call them drivers.. Whats the point of abusing them !! Its like calling ur heart surgeon a f***ing butcher who should tomoro be replaced by a robot..Having many friends who joined the forces i can easily… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
IAF is one special air force. Why do we need 5, 5 types of aircrafts ? 1. Su-30MKI2. Mirage 20003. Mig 294. Mig 215. Mig 276. Jaguar Half of them falling out of the sky half the time they fly. IAF top brass is fully corrupt, has been corrupt in defence acquisitions in IAF for at least 2 generations.who has the balls to confront them and change the IAF sob story of flying deathbeds ? I hope PM sahab and DM sahab take a special kind of stick to these fellows. 6 aircrafts, and still the candy boys in IAF… Read more »
Raahul Kumar
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1 year 9 months ago

@Hanonymous already said there are far too many aircraft types. We need less.

Cut out the Rafale. Get rid of the obsolete aircraft like the Mig-21, that plane is from the 1970s. The Jaguar and Mirages are also vintage.

Go full blast on the PAK-FA, MCA, DRDO AURA. When even the most advanced air forces only two planes, the F-22 and F-35 of the USA, it makes no sense for Bharat to have so many. We don't have the budget to fund so many different planes.

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Lets give AM Rank to Raahul Kumar, Hanonymous 3:11, etc

We will buy all AMCA and LCA
Sell all current ac and eqipment

Fire all f***king corrupt drivers

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

Incredulous @ various
Prove requirements again and Again???

Beti ki shaadi hai kya?

Go and do it yourself and best of Luck

Jo Khareedna hai khareed, Meri balaa se kagaz ka plane lele, AMCA, Tejas Mk2 se better hoga, (time se mil jayegaa, udega, waise dono hi dushman ka kuch ukhaad to sakte nahin, to baat barabar hai)

Ch***ye sab apne chamdey ke sikke chalaate hain yahan. apni biwi ko sambhaalo…. 🙂 Khud ke naukri aur jeevan mein Fail..chale desh sudhaarne

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Anonymous
1 year 9 months ago

hey does abhiman know that Gripen and Gripen NG both failed the MMRCA evaluation?

So how would Tejas Mk2 equivalence matter?

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1 year 9 months ago
Raahul Farz karo aapne jo suljhaaya hai sach ho jaata hai Ayer Phorce mein kewal 200-300 ladhaaku jahaaj rah jayeenge Naye Jahaaj jaise ki aap ke samajh hai itne waqt mein nahin aa sakte kyonki woh baney hi nahin hai, aur agle 15 saal ban bhi nahin sakte kyonki uski machine, factory kuch bhi maujood nahin Baaki photo, news wagairah sab dhoka hai. Govt se paise choosne ke khel hain. Public ke aankhon mein dhool jhonk kar. kabhi inke phaande me na padein. bahut mehenga padegaa. Phir se 200 saal ke liye Ghulaam ban jaoogey. Is baar koi freedom fighter… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
The contrast in narratives, on Indian military capability, is so stark. On one hand, India is a nuclear power with a growing nuclear weapon stockpile. No global major power worth his salt has any doubt about India's second strike capability and thus, any possibility for total/major war are quite remote. A major war would mean a thorough "Mutual Assured Destruction". Hence, there is no need for knee jerk platform buying. Rather, it is expected from India to build its indigenous military industrial infrastructure under the nuclear overhang.It is a golden chance to convert India's IMPORTED AIR FORCE to a BUILDER'S… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
I honestly suspect "Restore" is our neighbor from the west. Obviously there is a big point of difference between PRO DRDO and PRO IAF groups here, sometimes this argument is heated as well. If it does, it becomes a ripe place for foreign entities to engender hatred in place of grievance. I know this is just a small forum but in a democracy where peoples opinions and perceptions do affect the workings of GoI (or atleast the opposition )therefore its prudent for us to keep the discussion for knowledge development rather than perception management (something like what the media does… Read more »
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1 year 9 months ago
@ RestoreLovely sentiments Except ppl of your "Pay Grade" have failed to " Make the Grade" for the past 30 years Indigenous isnt Know what it means? Like some one said above You can also chalao your sikkas, its a democracy Basically sab fraud hain … sab bikau hain…Tum bhi Zaroor kisi PSU ke contractor ho ya kisi Offset company ke maalik ya shareholder, warna aise site pe itna emotional kyon? business jaa raha hai? Ya koi bewaqoof jise yeh nahi samajhta ki koi( HAL, DRDO) usey kaise chu***ya banaa raha hai Jo inhone tees saal mein kar dikhaya wohi… Read more »
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