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  1. 1

    Nitesh

    Mr. Shiv

    russia not inducting Brahmos is an old issue, get over it.

    Check this link first
    http://www.ptinews.com/pti/ptisite.nsf/0/CFD4C2E8A627708F6525746F00322230?OpenDocument

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  2. 2

    Shiv Aroor

    something to get over indeed, nitesh. and trust anyone to be all misty-eyed and happy that the russians have “agreed” to install brahmos on a stupid frigate. lovely. let’s party.

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  3. 3

    Nitesh

    so why you it is not getting inducted at all. If you have seen the link that it is getting inducted, now you say that the frigate is stupid. Kindly check the news, it says that 290km is too less a range for there qualitative requirement.

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    Shiv Aroor

    nitesh: here’s the lowdown, in case you didn’t know. first of all, no decision has been taken to fit the gorshkov-class frigate with the brahmos. they’ve said they will explore the possibility (condescending in itself). secondly, the Russian military’s 2006-2016 perspective plan specifically de-prioritises brahmos as a programme for the russian military. and thirdly, you missed the very point i was making — the indians failed to gauge post-development russian interest in the missile when the agreement was signed, which is precisely why DRDO now rues the fact that russia not only refuses to induct the brahmos (let’s not kid ourselves.. russia could buy a lot of them if it wanted to), but pushes its own missiles to compete with the brahmos in world markets. so that’s the reality, whether you think its “old news” or not. and this wasn’t a news piece, it was commentary. and incidentally, russia said nothing about the brahmos not meeting its requiredments when the agreement was signed. the agreement simply said the brahmos would be developed for india, russia and mutually agreed friendly export countries.

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    Jaydev

    nitesh, dont b such a dick. Russia took us to cleaners on Brahmos. The whole point of indigenous development is ToT for further research. If they don’t give us the fucking ram jet engine/seeker technology what good is it. I think we should persist with full indigenous development and use espionage and buying out experienced foreign scientists to get things done. That’s what French,Israelis and Chinese do..not to mention Pakis who stole nukes from europe..so should we. At the end of the day..we havnt got any reward for being a good boy. To hell with intellectual property.

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  6. 6

    Anonymous

    Nice one Jaydev.. Punishment for breaking the law is only for individuals. When countries do it, it is patriotism – preservation of national interests!!

    China should be our role model here. So much denial from west, still they have grown as a threat on US radars!

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  7. 7

    Anonymous

    well put. the brahmos program is most definitely an albatross around our necks.

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  8. 8

    Anonymous

    What’s an albatross??

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  9. 9

    Anonymous

    this shiv aroor look like an american agent who is out to decry barahmos develpement on flimsy ground that Indao russian barahomos is one of the success story of DRDo and there could be many more had the angloamerican agents like aroor and toilet paper of India and trator manmohan singh had not destablized Indian defence preparedness.

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  10. 10

    WillWorkForFood

    Sigh, some things never change.

    Point out the obvious flaws in any Indian government program, and you are instantly branded an “american agent”

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  11. 11

    Mihir

    Good piece, Shiv! The maitri is a business deal, pure and simple. It would do us well if we treated it as one.

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  12. 12

    Anonymous

    Failing with the Trishul is not a good excuse to give up on three beam technology, especially now that we know that the Russians are going to screw us over. Try again!, nothing comes easy! Scrap all deals with the Russians! Bye-bye T-90, Gorshkov, Su31-MKI… okay I know that’s impractical… 🙂 but that thought should be running in the back of our minds.

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  13. 13

    Anonymous

    agree with last anon. we should make plans to totally ditch the russians and get on with our own stuff. leave them in the lurch and record the look on their faces. nothing would give me more pleasure than to see that,.

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  14. 14

    gagan

    [email protected]– albatross around neck is a metaphor from The Ancient Mariner by the romantic poet Samuel T Coleridge. It refers to a burden borne by the wearer of the albatross, though it refers to a burden of a certain moral order as well, tinged with guilt and a sense of impending doom as a consequence.

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    Jaydev

    i think one of the main reason we keep russians in good spirits is to block strategic cheap arms to pakis and chinis.
    if we fuck russians from behind, they will sell a couple of sukois to pakis with good radars and AWACS killer missiles and we are dead meat. Similarly scorpene deal is sort of bribe to the french to stop them from selling more advanced stuff to pakis…i think that kinda lang is in the agreement. Although this is not the overwhelming concern its definitely on the back of our peoples’ mind. Anyway who else will give us n-subs and under-water launch technology or TVC engine fighters..
    we hav to play losers for some more time. until then i guess we have to swallow insults by burying our pride..such is dangerous geo-strategic equations stacked against us..

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  16. 16

    Anonymous

    dont u remember how russia helped us in 1971 war?
    russia had threatened 2 nuke USA if the us navy even fires a shot at the indian navy.

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  17. 17

    Anonymous

    This isn’t 1971. Grow up. Russia was never a friend, and they most certainly aren’t one at the present. Neither is USA for that matter.

    Stop looking for “friends” and lovers like some cheap romeo, and fukin grow up as a nation already.

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    Anonymous

    Latest report is that the Russians will arm their new frigates with Brahmos

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