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    Anonymous

    ARE YOU KIDDING?????? THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS… WE ALLOW THE RUSSIANS TO CHARGE WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT TO..AND NOW THE IAF IS TRYING SHORTCHANGE OUR OWN INDIGENOUS INDUSTRY?!?

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    Pritam

    when russians want billions of $$$ for a ship, when israelis want huge money for Phalcon, SPYDER etc thats ok, but desi govt companies cannot because they are Indian, they dont need so much money!

    Thats why we are Indians…

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  3. 3

    Anonymous

    Beautifully orchestrated..

    DRDO calls the tests a complete success, customers dont say a word then. Patriot system offered to India to undermine akash.

    Few months later IAF comes with some technical and manning issues with Akash. Patriot is still pushed hard.

    Now the price seems to be high, while being a fraction of the foreign system. In the near future, we will see akash being branded outdated and ditched in preference to imported Patriot. And we will call ourselves as “Patriot”ic!!

    God save my nation..

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  4. 4

    sniperz11

    Shiv, how big is 1 sqn? 18 systems of the Spyder cost 1800 crores.

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    Anonymous

    something like this was just waiting to happen. first the arjun, now akash. believe me, there is no hope for indigeneeous equipments in this country. -jp

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    Anonymous

    Take my word, the Arjun saga will repeat itself over and over again. This sell out will not stop with Arjun, in fact it has just started. First Arjun, then Air Farce Akash, not to even mention the chai-biskoot Army Akash, then LCA then Kaveri all of them will go down the same drain.

    Look at the big picture folks 30000 crores of systems to be imported take just 1 % of it and do the math. How many people are in the procurement dept of the services quite a handful, so the cut per person is huge.

    Do you see now then how come 1950 crores worth a system can become more expensive than 10 times that amount we will spend on an imported system evaluating (read all expense paid foreign trips), tendering, re-evaluating, re-tendering, buying, training, fixing its bugs, and then evaluating its next generation system all in the name of operational emergency just because the 1950 crore system had a few fixable bugs ??

    Who then gives a shit about 1950 crores then ? No baksheesh here folks, plain and simple.

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  7. 8

    Anonymous

    Good story Shiv….page 1 in Express, had you been there.

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    Anonymous

    if the technology is really that crappy, why not sell these things to outside customers and make some profits on the R&D money spent?? I am sure countries in Africa will be good market.

    What do you think of a married fellow paying for daily food and **x to outsiders? Indian armed forces are no different. Instead of correcting issue, they find dirty fixes.

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  9. 10

    Anonymous

    Please try to speak to different guys within armed forces. They might have different views. Such views might create opposite sensationalism. Don't these senior folks know about bulk purchase brings the cost down? Or have they run out of defects to point out? Or the extra cost is required for MkII R&D expenses. It will eventually save the same senior officer's bottoms. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    Don't they know the profit or loss doesn't matter if both buyer and seller are the same government?

    I didn't expect such childish comments from such senior officers and definitely didn't expect to be sensationalised by the media.

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    Anonymous

    Gotta luv the IAF and the IA; these scoundrels have absolutely no shame raping mother India in broad day light.

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    Anonymous

    ^^ you should better watch your mouth when you address armed forces of India.

    Its the red tape in induction program not the forces which are doing this.

    remember the INS Talwar scandal. Weapons systems failed, Naval Service rejected to accept it. Yet it was inducted?

    army chief was sent to Russia to induct a naval ship!! Now who was behind it.

    Forces or red-tape?

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  12. 13

    Anonymous

    People at that level of decision making should be responsible of the repurcussions. They should realize the impact it has on local R&D and general psyche.

    For me the red-tape is synonymous with the services. A part of services give their life to safegaurd my freedom, part of it drains my tax money to foreigners btards.

    We can't see them separate. When part of the body is sick, dont you call that whole individual sick? This disease gotto go..

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  13. 14

    Anonymous

    Whats the Talwar scandal? details please

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    Anonymous

    Looks Like LCA is going down the same way.

    Engine will kill it, IAF is to Blame. (If No Kickback then nothing meets the requiement no matter what)

    even if its not meeting the Thrust Requirment, it should be Inducted atleast as advance Trainer, for loging requird number of HRS & should try to achive desire engine Performance at the same time (with Outside Help). rather then waitting for 100% functional LCA & it turns out it is outdated & not needed any more.

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    Anonymous

    Its Russia arm twisting and bribing MOD and army top brass to get their crap sold. Indian tech is far better than those vodka soiled Russian crap. But our babu’s are worse…

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    Kersi K Dotiwalla

    Why is it that the Army/ Air Force has accepted the Prithvi and Agni almost without any reservations ?

    Simple. No one would sell such a system to India.

    But Trishul / Akash / Nag / Arjun / Tejas / Sitara / Dhruv.

    No There are plenty of firangis who can supply such "advanced systems"

    MORAL

    Why buy locally when there is a foreign System available ?

    The best thing to do toady is to explode a nuclear device and hopr the firangis will ban the sale of weapons and such items. Then Army & Air Force will quietly buy the local stuff

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    Anonymous

    People here are criticizing the armed forces for procuring defense equipment from abroad but little does anyone realize that the quality of systems offered by the Indian defense industry is far below industry standards.

    ARJUN is a failure, and its best we live with it.

    LCA is another failure (what kind of fighter has a thrust to weight ratio below 1, especially the lightest fighter?).

    In combat its the quality of equipment that matters, not the price paid for it. Before lashing out at the armed forces for rejecting home grown systems, realize that our home grown systems are not very good, and the rest of the world is far ahead of us.

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