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    Anonymous

    1. It is apparent that the person writing the Editorial did not carry out required research, before passing judgment and using impertinent and derogatory language towards highly respected icons like Chiefs of Defence Services.

    This is the same accusations by everyone when IE posted that stupid series against DRDO.

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  2. 2

    Anonymous

    A well deserved Jhapaad on the face of the “editorial” team of IE. I wish the rebuttal was more caustic

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  3. 3

    Anonymous

    I also wonder why Shiv you would call it “rants”. The respect that the freedom of the press gets should be mirrorred by the respect that a response to the press gets. In this particular case a stupid article- which have neither been researched properly and neither any dim-witted attempt has been made to understand why senior defence officers are speaking in public about this, something that they normally wouldn’t. Obviously, people in the Republic of India do not realise the cost at which freedom comes and they probably will need to realise this sooner rather than later.

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  4. 4

    fighterclass

    Anonymous said…

    1. It is apparent that the person writing the Editorial did not carry out required research, before passing judgment and using impertinent and derogatory language towards highly respected icons like Chiefs of Defence Services.

    This is the same accusations by everyone when IE posted that stupid series against DRDO.
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    similar trash, similar retorts !

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  5. 5

    Anonymous

    I am glad fighterclass your back…where did you disappear. I really love it when you take on Shiv one-on-one, as he thinks no one can puncture his huge inflated ego, and you did it so successfully. Please keep responding and showing Shiv his true colours.

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    Anonymous

    I am glad fighterclass your back…where did you disappear. I really love it when you take on Shiv one-on-one, as he thinks no one can puncture his huge inflated ego, and you did it so successfully. Please keep responding and showing Shiv his true colours.

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  7. 7

    Anonymous

    Fighterclass what does actually DDM mean? I couldnt understand it before when you tried explaining. I mean explain it literally.

    I thought it was Deen Dayal Marg, some road in Delhi??

    And Aroor, since you are agent of the services, please ask them when and with how much will they be satisfied with. All these retired types can do is quote from Chanakya, talk about izzat, and ask for more money. Always begging. Money money and more. Just ask them Aroor once and for all.

    And Fighterclass, its your job to see if Arooor is doing it carefully or not.

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  8. 8

    fighterclass

    X-posting from the other comments section.
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    want to know what is DDM.
    please read this:

    http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3694&start=0

    especially read the news article from the 4th and 5th posts, from aroor's favourite Indian Express which carries "excellent" editorials on defence matters !
    cheers !
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    for those who didn't understand, that report talks about problems with the Arjun's "torsion bar suspension" when it doesn't feature one !!
    it has the next generation "hydro-pneumatic suspension" !!

    What is DDM ??
    expanded, it means desi dork media.

    explanation: Indian media is infested with reporters who go on the defence beat w/o even a basic knowledge of the matter.
    Please Check the above link to find some glaring examples.

    e.g
    a)
    http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d276921144pd1.jpg
    a report on the INSAS. the pic accompanying it is Royal Army (british) gurkhas carrying the SA-80 assault rifle !!

    b)
    the ultimate one !! read the caption and take note of the spelling !
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshowpics/msid-2787954.cms

    and there have been umpteen reports on the "200cm diameter" akash missile (just imagine how much is that) to indigenous LCA "test-fired" !!
    even a few days back there was a report that LCH is based on the cheetah helicopter. and so on and on !
    also read the take on DDMs by better sensed people from the media.
    http://www.domain-b.com/aero/20080218_duds05.html

    P.S. I don't have any personal enmity with aroor. He used to be …. but did improve a little over the last year or so. He took unnecessary offense when I pointed out that prasun sengupta is a thorough plagarist and a liar — he makes up specs in his dreams and passes them off as facts.

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    Anonymous

    TO ALL INDIAN USERS (esp. Wikipedians), IMPORTANT!

    There is an ongoing war in Wikipedia regarding an article called “Pakistan occupied Kashmir” with Paki Wikipedians requesting it’s deletion. This is because the article is claimed by them as “not neutral point of view”. The article is now up for deletion after. Please show your support to keeo this article by voting for it. Type *”’Keep”’- followed by your message. You must however have had a reputable Wikipedia account for voting or it won’t be counted. Thanks.

    The voting page is loacted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pakistan_occupied_Kashmir

    The article in question is available http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_occupied_Kashmir

    Mod, please delete after 2 days.

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  10. 10

    Anonymous

    fighterclass is Rahul M from BR!

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  11. 11

    Anonymous

    they want it deleted so everyone must only direct to AZAD KASHMIR page. So we have to vota “Keep”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pakistan_occupied_Kashmir

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  12. 12

    Anonymous

    arre rahul!

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  13. 13

    Anonymous

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. all the BR folks are spending their time here.

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  14. 14

    fighterclass

    fighterclass is Rahul M from BR!
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    says who ?

    I won’t deny nor accept the fact for the simple reason that I don’t wish to reveal my BRF ID.

    and whatever be my BRF ID, that has absolutely no bearing on the discussion here.

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  15. 15

    fighterclass

    fighterclass is Rahul M from BR!
    _____________________________________

    says who ?

    I won’t deny nor accept it for the simple reason that I have no wish to reveal my BRF ID.

    please don’t go off on a tangent away from the discussion here.

    Let people like aroor and his supporters respond !

    my BRF membership has no relevance to these discussions.

    cheers !

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  16. 16

    Anonymous

    you can do better than trying to control discussions aroor !!

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  17. 17

    Anonymous

    fighteclass a.k.a rahul m of brf forum, you happened to post under your name “Rahul M” the identical post, which you then deleted and then posted as fighterclass. hahahahahahahahahahaha. so much for “fighterclass”.

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    Anonymous

    in a democracy, everyone has a right to one’s opinion but the over the top reactions of the Faujis to the piece in The Indian Express seem somewhat in poor taste as well. Let me tell my friends that the more we try and say that we are better than others, more we are forcing them to react to shows us in poorer light.

    So my advice to erstwhile and comrades and friends is to ignore such pieces or to respond to them in a logical and cool manner without listing either our past services(remember the mutual fund disclaimer-past record is no guarantee of future performance)or running others down.

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    Anonymous

    @fighterclass, when you are attempting to be anon, at least dont make our brotherhood of anons look stupid by accidentally posting under your real name, Rahul M. you have just shown yourself up to be a natkhat nitwit. 🙂 🙂 🙂 btw, i enjoy your comments on BRF!!

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    Anonymous

    shiv aroor continues to keep his head firmly up his backside and refuses to continue posing as anons !
    how many fake ids will you create shiv ?

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  21. 21

    Anonymous

    Rahul M, Rahul M, Rahul M, Rahul M hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Ok now i am bored of this. thanks for the laugh, rahul m.

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  22. 22

    Anonymous

    abbe Rahul M, chehre to dikha salee! fighterclass it seems!

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  23. 23

    fighterclass

    too bad aroor, you have nothing much to do other than fidget over if I am mr rahulm or not !!

    too bad you have no answers.

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    Anonymous

    TO ALL INDIAN USERS (esp. Wikipedians), IMPORTANT!

    There is an ongoing war in Wikipedia regarding an article called “Pakistan occupied Kashmir” with Paki Wikipedians requesting it’s deletion. This is because the article is claimed by them as “not neutral point of view”. The article is now up for deletion after. Please show your support to keeo this article by voting for it. Type *”’Keep”’- followed by your message. You must however have had a reputable Wikipedia account for voting or it won’t be counted. Thanks.

    The voting page is loacted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pakistan_occupied_Kashmir

    The article in question is available http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_occupied_Kashmir

    Mod, please delete after 2 days.

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  25. 25

    Anonymous

    The Ex SO-In-C has written a response to the editorial that is praise worthy and is very factual. I wish more retired Generals will pitch in to support the Service Chiefs!

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  26. 26

    Anonymous

    The Gen has not touched one very very important aspect. The constitution has restricted the fundamental rights of the soldiers but not condemned them to lifetime of slavery with hands tied and mouth taped. That is why the parliament has authorized the service chiefs to represent the forces to the council of ministers i.e, the civilian Govt and not the self styled Govt of bureaucracy. In fact these babus should be prosecuted for treason because by their actions they are closing all avenues for quality man power to join the defense forces voluntarily.I did not understand the threatening language of the editorial.It would be much better for Mr. Gupta to advice the babus to find ways and means to attract quality manpower to the forces and retain the ones who want to run away.They have not left so far because the Act makes it a criminal offense to run away unlike the babudom where one can absent himself for years and still claim a lien and even manage a pension. It is not the responsibility of the chiefs to attract manpower but of the political leadership and the Nation. The media can do a lot to attract the attention of the leaders to this and the need to reign in the mischief making babus who are their assistants.

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