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  1. 1

    Rahul

    Bottom line is always Jets. Anyway its good to know she can do more 10 years. Once the those two carriers arrives turn this Grand Lady into LHD. She will worth one more refit and retrofit.

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    Anonymous

    oh!!!!at last got hear some good news…was damn upset after hearing about CAG report,DHRUV etc….expecting some more good news about LCA PV5,Arihanth etc

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    Anonymous

    If there are no harriers to fly off the deck, I am sure she can be used as a helicopter carrier or fulfill a role similar to the Jalashwa.

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    Anonymous

    Must say surprised that a former british carrier of the fifties is still operational now…Also great to know that india is able to maintain it really well…
    Btw is there any news on the IAC vikrant…any update on that?Is it on track?

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    Deloitte

    This article has pointed out something that has been an chronic problem for a long time, which is, the lack of forward Strategic Planning. At the time of purchase of the Viraat in 1987, the expected operational lifecycle was supposed to be 7 years. Why then, did we only start searching for a 2nd hand carrier to replace the Viraat only in the beginning of 2000. Also, how did we let the cost escalations of the refurbishing work slip past the August 15th 2008 deadline.

    We have to start looking for replacements during the mid-life cycle of a program in order to stay battle ready. This goes for the 126 MMCRA deal, MBF tanks, many of which are supposed to replace ageing equipment.

    Also glaring is the fact that was rightly pointed out, with the extension of the lifecycle of Viraat to 2019, is may not have any sea harriers to fly off it's deck due to the age/attrition numbers of the same. Where as the recently delivery MIG-29K fighters do not have the INS Vikramaditya to fly off from, for say the next 3-4 years. Absolutely no forward Strategic Planning.

    With regards to the Viraat getting older with age. Hats off to the builder (Vickers-Armstrong). Launched in 1953 and still going strong says alot about the quality of production at that time. She did see conflict in the 80's during the Falkland War as HMS Hermes and has been the flagship of the INS till date.

    I can only praise this ship, may you sail the seas and live on in our memories forever.

    P.s.: Any updates on where we are with the INS Vikramaditya progress status. I want to see the MIG-29K's where the belong, on a great aircraft carrier!!!

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    Anonymous

    The British are surely scratching their head.

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    Manish Mishra

    why everything that happens in India, only can be explained as magic…is it something built in us…whenever we explain something…

    or everything we do is mostly need not to be explained or unexplainable to be only called magic or Jugaad…

    I really don't trust anything…but ya i hope…

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  8. 8

    Bharat-RATshak

    Truely brilliant work! But lets hope the 2 new carriers come on time, if not earlier than expected.

    GO!!! Indian Navy!!

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  9. 9

    Sanu

    Jabtak usko barbaad na kardein ye rukne wale nahi,anyways we need an state of the art tech aircraft carrier,no shit gorshkov.navy is da real deal,do something to so save it n not to blow it up.

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    Karthik Soundarajan

    Shiv, I was wondering about your comment on Aircraft on Viraat. Wont the Mig-29k be able to operate of the boat? It surely has enough landing and take off space?

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    Anonymous

    India makes a mistake bying that old Russian heep of crap. You should by one of the two new carriers that Britain is building. The can not afford both of them anyway.
    Then India would have its needs fulfilled for the next 40 years.

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    Anonymous

    Cost of UK carrier will be 6 to 7 billion$. India can't afford such expensive carriers. Maybe we can partner with UK for building the 3rd AC carrier which has similar displacement as UK carriers.

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    Anonymous

    @Deloitte

    These old ships were made to withstand the test of time and battle unlike current flimsy delicate modern vessels. I can bet it will be going strong even after 100 years.

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    Ultimate Ratshaker

    When she runs out of harriers, we can launch ratshakers off the deck. Atleast the number of rats will decrease. We can start with Rahul or Shiv (from BR).

    Seriously.. its good news but its better this is retired soon enough. Maintaining old equipment is always more expensive than newer ones, so the earlier she is retired the better. But we need to get the other carriers up and running.

    @Deloitte: brilliant post. The lack of planning ahead is what has crippled our military all along. It is seen on all 3 forces. But I guess we have to blame babustan equally since they have to sanction everything in the end.

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    Anonymous

    It could always fly anti-sub gear equipped Helicopters and N-LCAs

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    Rahul

    @ RAT, r u being hounded there that u came running here.
    Viraat is a nice ship, good to know that it stays till 2020.

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    Mr. Ra

    Now viability of using Mig-29K on Viraat needs to be checked.

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    Anonymous

    More than Indian jugaad its British engineering thats shining here. Viraat and other ships of her era were quite overbuilt. Some of the plates on Viraat are 6 inches thick. Modern ships are not made to last that long.

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    Anonymous

    @[email protected]:40am,
    Overbuilt means high factor of safety. When you grasp engineering you are capable of building precisely to the requirement with lower safety factor.
    Higher the factor of Safety, the lower your grip of engineering is and higher the cost. Given that it was built in 50s and engineering was not as evolved as today the overengineering can be explained away.
    I agree that here the overengineering could be working to our advantage.

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    Ultimate RATshagger

    @ Rahul
    Nah, I've never been a member, never will be. I used to lurk there before but not anymore. I saw the way their idiotic members criticised anyone who disagreed with the older members. I've seen the way they degrade journalists and other people because they either made mistakes in their reporting or their views were different. Just do a google search for "DDM" and you'll see lots of hits on the bharat-RATshak site.

    I'm a proud indian, I have respect for the journalists who do their work. Yes they get it wrong sometimes. Yes, in the hurry of being the first to report something, they can make major mistakes. But that doesnt mean they are idiots as the rats portray them. Even major US channels got it wrong and declared Al-Gore president in 2000 because they hurriedly reporter results. Its a gamble they took and lost. That doesnt mean they are morons.

    The only morons and idiots are in bharat-ratshagger forum. Look at the list of people they have banned. Everyone disagreed with their views.

    I know you are a ratshagger. I urge you to tell your fellow rats to stop degrading journalists on their forum.

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    Anonymous

    If the aircraft can stay till 2020, then it's possible that it can be used as an helicopter carrier with Anti-sub helis and attack helicopters of the LCH type.

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    Gautam

    Does this mean the Navy(and penny-pinchinf MoD) would reconsider the proposal to buy the Royal Navy's mothballed Sea Harriers? This was mooted a few years ago but shelved because back then the Navy was expecting to retire the Viraat by 2010. Now our Sea Harriers are at the end of their operating life and becoming a safety hazard to pilots; the newer British planes will last for another 10 years at least and will be cheap since the Royal Navy no longer needs(i.e. can't afford to operate) them.

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    RAT

    HEY RAHUL I DID NOT POST ANY COMMENTS

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