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    Saumya Srivastava

    This project seems to be almost dead… HAL has license manufactured so many aircraft in the past….they have the technology….but they dont seem to absorb anything,for creating something new….IMO private players should be involved in JVs with large foreign giants so that they get the technology to atleast capitalize..apart from just assembling and license manufacturing..

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    KVR

    Bring on the Jingos and Conspiracy Theorists.

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    Anonymous

    And on top of this HAL is trying to develop another basic turbo trainer!!! HAL must focus on IJT and make it happen flawlessly. I wonder why IAF has "ordered" trainers even without a demo by HAL? Its high time HAL be given a moratorium for a year, let all key employees come up with what they can do to justify their existence. Its not good to place the entire trainer build into one basket HAL. They are already doing AJT with major quality deficiencies. Why another trainer?

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    Anonymous

    To hell with the agents of foreign arms companies in the media and also IAF. To hell with the government which allows the services to become the largest importers in the world.

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    Anonymous

    As a tax paying citizen, I want to know what results IAF has achieved since independence. Everybody can know how much has been spent on IAF. They have to be cajoled into taking part in emergencies and wars.

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    Anonymous

    Yet again, the IAF is held hostage by the rank incompetence and staggering ineptitude of the HAL that we all know and loath.

    It is a wonder why the IAF just doesn't show the HAL the finger and asks Mahindra Aerospace or the TATA's or somebody else in the private sector to "build/borrow/steal" them a jet trainer. Why should HAL get first dibs on everything when clearly they can't fold a decent paper plane to save their lives ?

    At some point the IAF must realize that HAL is not their only option, especially when all the HAL will really do is cobble together foreign parts and avionics into a shoddy and most critically, an unsafe design bound to kill or maim dozens of pilots before it gets grounded!

    Isn't it a safer long term investment to help build the private sector than trying to cut corners hoping for a miracle from the dysfunctional public sector moneypit that is the HAL or fleecing the taxpayer with the "foreign" option ??

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    Anonymous

    There is really no requirement for an 'Intermediate' Jet Trainer – In all the major air force, training commences on a turboprop trainer and goes on to a jet trainer, followed by conversion to operational fighters/transport aircraft – it's yet another case of national funds being poured into a wasteful HAL project.

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    P.K.Chaudhuri

    In view of the widespread corruption amongst the highest political families, May I ask a hypothetical question to the people of India and our enforcement agencies.

    Suppose a ruling party asks a MNC to contribute one thousand Crore in the party’s election fund with a promise that if elected to power, an order worth Ten Billion Dollar will be placed on them. No crime is committed.

    Many US, European, Russian and even Israeli companies will grab the opportunity and happily pay the amount. I appeal to the nation to examine if something similar really happened in the past and India retired a battle tested indigenously developed aircraft, HL24-Marut. This aircraft proved to be superior to the US make Sabre Jets during Indo-Pak war. Delay in induction of Main Battle Tank is exactly for same reasons. Procurement of Aircraft Carrier, Gorshkov is also an example in similar line. There are many such examples.

    India must debate and deliberate on the issue and announce a policy for more dependence on indigenous weapons and ammunitions.

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    Anonymous

    It is really a cause of concern that HAL has only screwdriver technology and they can only assemble under license of all imported components.They cannot evan assemble imported parts on their own.Basic trainer is a little more advanced than second world war fighters.It was 70 years ago P-51 mustang was designed and with feedback from the test pilots the engine was changed to spitfire Merlin engine and a world beater decisive weapon was born which changed the course of the war. The whole designing process took 19 months and in that time frame it was cutting edge technology and never ever tried.HAL badly failed in that effort with years of work , needless to say they were to fit it with some videshi engine as designing a turboprop engine is beyond the imagination of HAL.

    IJT trainer is showing no progress with a poor decision of choice of engine AL 55 which is still experimental and unreliable and they should have selected Honeywell F 125 engine which is very reliable like GE 404 or GE 414 and designed the trainer around it.Designing the body is not very difficult and time consuming.This technology development should not have taken this long.It would have been a good decision had this project being given to some private company that takes pride in completing a prestigious project.It is out question that HAL would design the engine and few vital components as they are going to pick it up from the market.Is it worth now to keep those people in job who have not delivered anything in name of IJT.How can these people justify their job by not delivering anything workable which is reliable. I am happy about Tejas that the engine selection was a right decision and that is why so far not a single tejas has come down.Tejas needs lot lot of high end technology and it is difficult and time consuming but i cannot justify the delay in BASIC TRAINER as well as IJT as these are not that time consuming and not that complex technologies and selection of PILATUS clearly shows HAL missed the bus on basic trainer and i wont be surprised if IAF selects another videshi IJT. as HAL could not produce one.I feel angry with the degree of incompetence and lack of accountability.

    TIMBAKTOO

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    Anonymous

    So, its time for global tenders and kick backs. Hurray!

    The airforce didnot took off in 1962and suddenly found the kargil mountains has grown so high overnight!

    Do we really need the air-force in the era od WMDs?

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    Anonymous

    Roadside two wheeeler mechanics deliver better then the so called engineers,designers and scientists of HAL .

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  12. 12

    Fauji

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    Anonymous

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    Disband ADA, Split-up HAL, fire all in top two layers and 50% of third layer of management …
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    Anonymous

    Time to sell HAL NAL ADE, etc to private players, high-tech equipments and capable engineers are not being used efficienty, with privatization, there will be on time delivery and innovation!

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    Anonymous

    Sell HAL, NAL, ADA to private players, big facilities, high tech equipment and capable engineers & scientists are giving poor result, with the private sector, all will be used efficently and be more productive!!

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    Nikdash

    There is absolutely no way that this bird will fly. After spending billions on Hawk and Pilatus, a home grown low cost solution can be easily bribed to extinction. A lot of money can be made here if an import is selected.

    The writing is on the wall, no point in looking away.

    I think we need to explode a nuclear bomb or two to make this project successful. In fact every time the middle men try to force an arms deal, just explode a nuke!

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    Anonymous

    Dear Jingos,

    In all this noise about hal,kickbacks etc. nobody is speaking about the replacement of the basic fighter – Mig 21. In any combat we shall need these chaps up there in large numbers fighting off the enemy and protecting our points while the Su's , Rafales Mirages shall be performing item numbers . Mig 29 is practically dead , F 16 's are no no for obvious reasons and Tejas is still in lalaland and let us face it will never be available in sufficent numbers.

    So what do we do ? I feel that a purchase of 50 to 75 gripens in its pure air defense avatar to fill in the gap is absolutely imparative. Alternatively the Hawk trainer in its 100/200 avatar just might fill in the gap as a modern missile armed Gnat .

    What says you ????

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    Shahid

    What benefit HAL/IAF officials would get in case of indigenous IJT?only the imported aircrafts gauranteed commision/kick backs.

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