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18 Comments on "France Offers 2 Quick Scorpenes, DCNS ‘Worried’ About DRDO’s AIP"

Parthasarathi
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3 years 9 days ago

Sir, What about the cost ?? They treated us very shabbily ( read blackmailed us) during the up-gradation of Mirage 2000. Just to change Radar (that's also not AESA.) and few electronics they have charged us moon. They are business man and they will not give us the submarine cheap.
Secondly on Rafael front according to one magazine the negotiations are more are less stopped and no way the deal will be signed shortly.
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/news/rafale-deal-unlikely-to-be-signed-in-upa-2-tenure
Any comments from you ?

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 9 days ago
Dear Shiv, MESMA is the least preferred option among existing AIPs in the world. Generally, countries are going for either Stirling Engine version or the fuel cell versions. Not only MESMA is inefficient but it also requires a massive support infrastructure on base, which would be very costly to build. In addition, getting two submarines off the shelf does not solve the problem. As of today, Indian Navy has 12 submarines out of which 7-8 are operational at a time. Navy is concerned about immediate future if Scorpenes are not delivered on time. It is worried about future in next… Read more »
Pete
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3 years 9 days ago

If DRDO wants to develop an operational AIP system it would indeed need to be built and fitted to a test submarine and trialled at sea – probably for several years – to be safe.

If India wants to delay its Scorpene program a DRDO developed AIP may well stretch the delay out to 2020.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 9 days ago

Indian Scientiest working on any project except missiles are just knowlegeless. They dont know any thing. they just depends on importing ready made technology. Check all projects and decide.

joydeep ghosh
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3 years 9 days ago
@Shiv In my personal view if indeed DCNS wants to supply IN with 2 Scorpenes to coincide with the launch of 1st of 6 MDL built Scorpenes, then these should be based on the SMX 21 concept of Scorpene. Also DCNS should hand over documents (if any) related to SMX 21. These will benefit IN immensely, as that will allow IN to built upto 18 Scorpenes in batches of 6 each. Its a much better proposal than to put money for SLEP of 8 remaining Kilo subs. The reason I m supporting SMX 21 is bcoz the concept is referred… Read more »
Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 9 days ago

Respected DRDO officials,
when was the last time you met the specified timeline,or might i ask when was the first time.
kindly accept your incompetence and step aside.
donot compromise the nation's security to uphold your hollw prejudices.

yours sincrely
a worried taxpayer who sees his money wasted on your science experiments

axe
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axe
3 years 9 days ago

Interesting. MoD should go for this proposal. In fact MoD should place order for another six Scorpenes or more and scrap the RFP for submarines. No point in having a submarine fleet consisting of different makes. Standardisation is the name of the game nowadays.
20 Scorpene submarines outfitted with AIP and missiles and a dozen SSGNs (Arihant) and half a dozen SSBNs (Arihant-II) will make a potent undersea fleet.

RD
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RD
3 years 9 days ago

This is an offer which India should seriously accept it. There is no need to spend money in further upgrading the kilo & type209 subs as their shelf life is going to expire shortly. Instead 3-4 new off the shelf scorpenes alongwith 6 under construction will be a better option.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 8 days ago

INDIAN GOVERNMENT SHOULD GO AHEAD WITH THIS OFFER TO GET 2 SUBS FROM FRANCE IN FAST TRACK MODE WITHIN 2 MONTHS. NO NEED TO THINK TOO MUCH. BREUCRAFTs SHOULD NOT ALWAYS THINK OF COMMISIONS. THINK ABOUT INDIA FIRST. THIS 2 subs we WILL GET AT THE TIME OUR FIRST INDEGENOUS scorpeon WILL BE inducted. What else we want. By this offer, indian will get fast track subs and on the other hand developing indegenous capability.

Unknown
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3 years 8 days ago

I think this is a good oppurtunity and we should grab this offer and also at same build 4 scorpenes at mazgaon under licence and TOT to fill the gaps in submarine force levels till P75 I finally takes off

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 7 days ago

Why do you think any company will hand over tech unless one was paying very dearly for it?

The bottom line is that DRDO MUST deliver the goods even if it takes a few more years than anticipated.

Indian industry has to figure out for itself how to build equipment instead of going the import route which only serves to make the make the users beholden to foreign vendors and sanctions, etc.

Brahamvakya
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3 years 7 days ago

Dear Shiv,
This offer points towards three likely scenarios

1. DRDO is succeeding with indigenous AIP technology possibly

2. French are desperate for money right now

3. French genuinely care about India's well being & want us to be the bullwark against a rampaging China in Indian ocean as America draws down it's presence.

I would rather prefer one more batch of 6 Scorpenes considering we have the tech know how( With AIP) for littoral/Shallow waters & quick induction of 3 Boomers to take care of deep sea & hunter killer role.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 6 days ago

THE IN should think out of the box and instead try looking for refurbished used subs.There are many countries that are willing to sell them.Even if they dont come with AIP just 5 or 6 of these subs acquired in the next 2 years will greatly help in restoring some respectability to our depleted sub fleet.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
3 years 2 days ago

after the sindhugosh accident IN needs to look at this offer from DCNS. MESMA technology for AIP is of second generation. it's totally fuel cell technology. DRDO need not be in a hurry since there are other submarines in line for their AIP. for the time being IN should go with this offer.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
2 years 11 months ago

$uha$…
i hope another Akula Class sub ll enter indian navy.
Its best sub in the world…
no any other sub having test depth of 580 to 600 mtrs..
i think current available subs in the world, test depth not more than 350 mtrs..
Scorpenes are good… and we should believe on DRDO's AIP, i know they ll come up with best result on time.

Vikram Kumar
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2 years 6 months ago
DRDO fuel cell is based on PAFC in which methanol reformation takes place (using water) and H2 is produced.It uses phosphoric acid as electrolyte, that poses problem of corrosion, NMRL is developing special paint to avoid corrosion. It produces CO2 as byproduct.Type 212 AIP is based on PEMFC which requires carrying hydrogen onboard and combines with oxygen to produce water as byproduct after releasing electron.DRDO says its system is proven on land so it points that AIP will also be PAFC based in which H2 comprises 18.75% of weight of methanol. Also water is required for reformation.Conformed DRDO AIP is… Read more »
Vikram Kumar
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2 years 6 months ago

For information on PAFC type fuel cell :
http://scopewe.com/phosphoric-acid-fuel-cells/

Vikram Kumar
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2 years 6 months ago
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