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    Interesting article about and aircraft that is simply a target and not much more. Poor engines, poor electronics and poor situational awareness does not make a combat aircraft.

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    why it took 17 years just to fire bvr missile that too with foreign radar from tejas.

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    Although the article describes attempts to export the JF-17 as so far unsuccessful, it’s sale to two countries is more or less confirmed.

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    Nicely written

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    Great article. “Affordability ” and “local expertise development” are key to being a great military power. Indian Airforce however seems to have none of these and today if someone has to be blamed for shortage of squadrons it is themselves. They seem to have learnt nothing : still talk of great things for AMCA, am sure it will never come out .
    . I hope the government forces these guys to be realistic for ongoing manned and unmanned next generation aircraft.
    These guys make our prime minister look like an idiot when he goes to negotiate something (now affordable single engine fighter). Poor guy.

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    Mihir, we have enough firepower from abroad. What we want to achieve from Tejas is self sufficiency in building latest generation fighters. We already have the pieces in place now to develop a more advanced AMCA and HAL is slowly moving onto becoming a SI which is what its role should be, leaving the mundane parts manufacturing to good private players.

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    Very well researched article which gives an insight into pakistan air force capabilities and hints HAL to gear up for the future!

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    egypt getting 50 mig 35 for 2 billion while our country paid 2 billion just to upgrade 50 mirages.

    Hal is slow in everything even failing to productionize lca,mki to a good numbers there is no shortage of workers in country.

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      Country does not have its own priorities , but likes getting looted.

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    Interesting Fact: The Joint-Fighter 17 (JF-17) is the Pakistani nomenclature for this jet, signifying the “joint” effort of Pakistan and China in developing it. However, the Chinese insist on terming it the Fighter-China 1 (FC-1), with no mention of Pakistan ! Its a sorry state of affairs for the Chinese pseudo-colony Pakistan, and a lesson which we must learn vis-a-vis the PAK-FA and the locally termed “FGFA” (or whatever).

    The JF-17 was an desperate effort by a Pakistan hemmed in by global sanctions. Finding a small hope in China, it immediately latched on to this project as a financier. Originally meant to be a hybrid between a J-7 and a MiG-29 (more like a single-engined MiG-29), Pakistan was rumoured to have supplied its F-16s to China so that they could study its design. This probably explains the distinctly F-16-ish wing shape and fuselage.

    The fact that the engine is the RD-93, is more a result of Russia’s definitive involvement in the project, than any sly wrangling by Pakistan to obtain a western engine in the face of sanctions.

    The JF-17’s design has another curious aspect of the so-called DSI intakes. Nobody knows how effective these are, but they’re supposed to reduce fuel consumption and increase maneuverability.

    I agree with Mihir Shah that its a mediocre jet at best. Its a very advanced MiG-21 or MiG-29, and can be the workhorse of the 21st century. Its cheap, and pretty much does what it promises. It’s radar is a traditional mechanically steered one, and its FBW is present only in the pitch axis (the yaw and roll axes have an analog-type (?) reflex system.

    However, what is really appreciable is the staunch and stolid support of the PAF and the Pakistani public and media for this, no matter however it is. Desperate times do call for a concerted zeal, and the JF-17 is a good example of that. Contrast this with a former IAF chief, who comes on National TV to deride the Tejas. Or the ToIs and HTs of India, which never miss a chance to berate the Tejas’ with the “30 years in the making” taunt. These fat cats in the IAF and media need to learn a lot from their Pakistani counterparts.

    P.S: The “17” in JF-17, I was told by Pakistani fora members is a continuation of their beloved F-16.

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    The Tejas vs JF-17 comparison seems to evoke memories about the Panzer vs T34. T34 was considered by the Germans to be too crude and simple. The Panzer on the other was highly sophisiticated and no doubt more lethal. But Stalin, true to his belief that “quantity has a quality of its own” overwhelmed the German army by producing the T34 in large numbers QUICKER, whihc means for every destroyed tank, the time to churn out its replacement was shorter. The Panzer on the other hand, due to it’s sophistication, took a much longer to time to assemble. The T34 was major factor in confounding Hitler’s plans. Let’s hope that Tejas doesn’t suffer a similar fate. MAKE ease of production AS PART OF THE SQRs.

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    IAF has been notoriously slow in reverse engineering or suppprting indigenous development by trying to have all eggs in one box instead of going for incremental upgrades

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    we stand nowhere in passenger airliners assembly , neither congis nor modi have any plans in this regard

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    In today`s modern combat environment a fighter aircraft is just a platform, turn rates, Gs and Fly-by-wire systems don`t matter as they mostly engage in BVR. You can keep loading these aircraft platforms with off the shelf equipments like radars,ECMs, and missiles. So, at times simplicity and quantity matters, especially for support and defence fighters. In fact this was the soviet strategy for fighters like Mig 29. They deliberately made the Mig29s less sophisticated with a shorter range as they were defensive fighters.

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    Its also a question of hubris. While Pakistan seeing an existential threat that had cut it in half in the past on its Eastern border, is desperate to defend itself by any means possible India suffers no such fear. So delivery rather than capability is an end for the Pak military which it has successfully prosecuted with the JF17 and the Al Khalid Tank – both good examples of jugaad. In contrast the Tejas and Arjun were not chasing Sasta Sundar aur Tikau but trying to develop self-reliance with technology that was slightly behind the best available to the region. While we can admire the down-to-earth approach of the Pakistanis deploying the airborne equivalent of an AK47 to defend its skies, we should have no doubts that the loftier goal of a 4 Gen Tejas was rightfully set. Its a different issue we may not have the depth of knowhow or Industrial strength to quickly deploy a Tejas but chasing an FC1/JF17 like target would have been wrong for India. A better example to look at for comparison is China – which has leapfrogged in Gen 5 technologies. We have to look above us, not over our shoulders.

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    Clearly a biased article, written to satisfy little egos of Indians.

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    Well I have red many articles but have never red an article so biased. Writer is comparing the aircraft with high performance, state of the art aircrafts which have been in service for decades and have a history of century. But he has failed to mention the point, that these aircrafts, be it JF17 or Teja are an effort by respective countries in the direction of aircraft manufacturing and that’s what they stand for. You better compare these aircrafts with each other or aircrafts coming from other developing countries. There is no doubt about this, that both of these aircrafts are not A class, but B plus aircrafts and have room for improvements. Either writer is naive or very bigoted, if you as writer can point out the short comings, those setting in aerospace and aircraft research manufacturing plants would’t know about it ? Well off course they do, but as evolution it’s a slow and gradual process of development. And the next generation of these aircraft’s might not have some of these short comings. Also from my understanding comparing the two, no matter how copied from where JF17 appears to be doing better than Teja.

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    Murad Qadir

    This article is written by Indian and it is reflected in clear bias. Author has his views about the first make of JF 17 built and inducted 10 years before. With block 3, an advanced version of JF17 this aircraft can be compared to any modern aircraft of the world with much reduced cost. This is so why many countries including European Air Forces are considering inducting this aircraft.

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    Parshu Narayanan

    Be interesting to read a non-biased Pakistani article shorn of national ego – do share. Your compatriot below says “certain” European countries want to buy a Thunder!

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      facts got wrong in this article, analysis i wont argue as that is the writer opinion

      1. it has two export customers
      2. new version has quadruple fly by wire(JF-17B already in production) and AESA(block 3 radar already selected and in testing)
      3. can deploy all sort of weapons BVRs, WVRS, laser guided, cruise miss, antiship,has next gen turkish pod integrated
      4. thrust tow eight ratio is ~1 and is FAR BETTER and lighter THAN TEJAS
      5. Pakistan is producing 80% of avionics some completely indegnious from previous experience with grifo and 60% airframe

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    I have no doubt , Pakistan and China outsmart India in fighter development. LCA Tejas is superior to JF-17 but Pakistan and China’s approach and strategy is much smarter than us. Tejas program start in 1983 but even in 2018 , it still not complete. JF-17 start in late 1990s , now it is completed and going to next phase JF-17 block 2 block 3 etc.

    If our government start doing same thing in 1983 , get the Mig-33 design from USSR and developed it. Than we have hundreds of fighters serving in front line.


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