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  1. 1

    Mango Aadmi

    Can anyone please explain why the present government is against the single-engine “contest,” when it itself had started it after completely junking the MMRCA process? Is it that the LCA project suddenly improved by leaps and bounds in the past two years?

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  2. 2

    J Thomas

    plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

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  3. 3

    Amar

    The Govt is right. What a mess the Indian Military is making for itself. There are enough reports where the fighter pilots and test pilots who actually flew the LCA are happy with its performance. It seems the problem is with the Air Marshals of the IAF. For whatever reasons (corruption ? commisions ? ), they prefer foreign maal. The same with the Army generals. Although Arjun beat T-90 in the trails and the tankmen who used Arjun loved it, the generals prefer T-90 over Arjun giving ridiculous excuses.

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  4. 4

    Parshu Narayanan

    There is nothing new and nothing to be alarmed of in this report. We already know the Tejas Mark 1 and even the Mark 1A Jugaad is not up to scratch on all parameters – all of which have been publicly documented. This does not reduce the importance of the Tejas or the need to support its programme development into other future versions/platforms that may be under consideration. 123 is a good order base for future development. Let’s walk before we pull 9gs.
    This also does not mean our govt should undermine the need to have an aircraft that can give us credible air dominance – the current LCA would find it hard put to match a J10 let alone the aviary of J11/15s the PLAAF flies. But with a Meteor armed Gripen or an F16/70 its a whole new ball game – and when your Meteor/Asraam/R74/RVV-AE/Derby armed Aesa fitted F414 powered future DRDO platform is ready, India would have taken meaningful steps towards a viable home-designed weapon system.
    If we keep at it constantly, we may even acquire the holy grail of aero-engineering – a desi fighter engine that delivers. Cheen nu veykh. I hope we nincompoops – composed of brilliant individuals but a rotten system – can hold it together and make it work

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    1. 4.1

      Rohit

      Lol , another Swed/US lobby.

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    2. 4.2

      Gurkirat Singh Hanspal

      Exactly my sentiments. All those who have kept themselves abreast with the defence know fully well the strengths of the LCA program and the weaknesses of the current LCA fighter. As such what the air force is saying is not wrong. Keep developing the LCA but by the time mk2 comes along we do need another fighter to fill in the gaps.

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    3. 4.3

      Chilarai

      What many clueless people don’t realize is that Tejas is still far from being an indigenous fighter since its very guts–engine, guns, radar, missiles–are foreign. We are far away from being self-reliant in these critical fields thanks to our superb DPSUs who have been in business for over half a century. Calling the shell of LCA as “indigenous” is a slap to all self-respecting Indians.

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      1. 4.3.1

        dalji

        Mera joota hai Japani yeh patloon englishtani sir par lal topi rusi phir bhi dil hai Hindustani — interpret this famous old song line anyway it holds true

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  5. 5

    Abhiman

    The liars in the IAF have given a presentation laden with half-truths to the Defence Ministry.

    1 ) The endurance mentioned is only of the Tejas Mark 1, which is only the 1st version. There is a Tejas Mark 1A under development by the HAL, which will reduce many hundreds of kgs of weight, that was used for testing. This will undoubtedly increase the Tejas’ range and endurance. And I’ve not even begun about the larger and more powerful Tejas Mark 2 . . . .

    2 ) The point about a lesser weapons payload of “only” 3 tons is also misleading. The Gripen E’s empty weight is about 7 tons. If it takes off with it’s own weight under it’s belly, then don’t expect it to fly deep into Pakistan, and come back. It will be so sluggish and guzzle so much fuel, that it can barely fly a few hundred kms from base, before being forced to turn back. That way, even the Tejas Mark 2 should be able to carry 6 to 7 tons of payload.

    3 ) The Tejas’ maintenance times will obviously be improved, as it sheds its caterpillar skin and is flown more often by the IAF, and refined to a higher and higher degree. The Su-30s that the IAF flies aren’t paragons of maintenance either.

    What is extremely sad here, that the IAF stayed feigned ignorance about the Teas Mk.1A and the upcoming Tejas Mk.2. This is tantamount to not just deceit, but also treason.

    The Ministry of Defence must next give a hearing to the DRDO, and ask them to rebut the points raised by the IAF. I’m sure they will.

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    1. 5.1

      Gurkirat Singh Hanspal

      Though there is some truth in what you’ve stated, there is also some misinformation from your side. With regards to IAF…..they have not lied, they’ve just spelled out their technical points in layman’s terms. Of course if one gets into the nitty gritty’s of it then you can have an argument about what IAF stated. Secondly though mk1a and mk2 will have marked improvements over the current version, let’s not forget that they are still some time away from realisation. IAF is not against LCA, it just wants the LCA to be in mk2 state before it gives the thumbs up for full on production. In the meantime they do require a fighter. So that’s what they said. And like the first commenter here, there is nothing to alarmed of…..we all know that LCA is still not a finished product in it’s current form. The IAF more than anyone, is waiting for mk2.

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    2. 5.2

      harry

      You are partly right here, we must continue refining Tejas and it will be good for the aeronautical ecosystem that is in its infancy but showing signs of maturing gradually. The trouble is Tejas 2 is still a dream that is yet to materialize. So in that case, we will surely need a SEF as well to be ready for China’s vicious dreams for power. In short, we need both. So DRDO’s plans to draw curtains to SEF program are pointless.
      I am more concerned about the fighter cocktail we are going to have in 10 odd years, it is going to be logistical nightmare!

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      1. 5.2.1

        Manne

        If China is the objective then FGFA is the right vehicle. IAF must own Tejas otherwise the ecosystem will never grow and the fighter will not take its rightful place in IAF inventory. Even whilst ADA and HAL improve Tejas from a feature perspective, rope in the pvt sector to improve it from a reliability perspective. It absolutely can be done.

        – Manne

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    3. 5.3

      Murali

      Weight reduction is not done in Tejas Mk 1A and it is pushed to Tejas Mk 2. Mk 2 Prototype is expected in 2021 only and after flight testing the production is expected to start in 2025 only. These are optimal estimates. Mk 2 has almost same spec as Gripen E.

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      1. 5.3.1

        Sanjay

        India must believe in itself and our people instead of investing in everyone else’s projects. Tejas mk II would be better then Grippen e or f-16-Block 70 which are not yet developed yet. We do not know what bugs will be in those system and it is always better to develop Tejas which seem to be a very similar or better aircraft then to go with hypothetical plane that is not in production yet and invest then investing in India. It is utmost shame a similar aircraft could be considered which are three times the expense of the Tejas. What is the level of corruption when government has no faith in its own people. Tejas having a higher wing loading can obviously out fly in higher altitude and do slow speed bombing which make it a very versatile plane that suits our environment and needs. Why invest tens of billions on someone’s else project when that money can be invested in the development of India. If the contest was started today it would at-least take three years of testing and evaluation , second will any of the manufacturers give TOT. So when will they project making the plane, so stick to Tejas as there is nothing else and develop the country. ? Tejas mk2 is stated to fly next year according to reports in IOC configuration.

        Certainly f-16 is an antique and the gippen -e have nothing more to offer, but taking money away from Indian development.

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  6. 6

    Nitin

    Many PSU and government employment enthusiasts or maybe employees have mentioned and boasted about Tejas and how IAF is fooling everyone.

    The sorry story of failure to develop our own Jet engine ( Germans had developed their own in 1940s, We don’t even have our own for Ships and import from Russia and Ukraine ), along with Failure Tejas ( Navy has rejected it in very clear terms ).
    I won’t go much into details about Tejas, but to my PSUs employee , DRDO jingoist friends , or people with relatives in DRDO, HAL is classic example of what monopoly can do to an organisation, riddled with unprofessionalism and lack of integrity has seen it unable to support even the aircrafts it had licence to manufacture, like Dorniers and Chetak for Navy, their pathetic support to these along with lack of spares and acceptance towards development of ALH says a lot about their attitude.

    To sum up
    No one in good sense , would accept such sub standard LCA , Arjun MBT and other such sub standard systems/products , those who care for their solider who have our their life in line for you guys

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  7. 7

    Sudip Das

    Every country for self reliance develops a platform over years, look at GRIPEN and F-16, why IAF wants Tejas to be perfect in the first go,
    My apprehensions which I expressed in another post ( appointment of present defense minister) has been proved correct
    Make in India to destroy developed in India, shameless politicians supported by spineless experts from MOD

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  8. 8

    biplab

    We need to take step so that IAF can trust on LCA.

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